Who are American politicians beholden to? The People? The Constitution?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Looks like the House failed to pass a budget that the Senate would agree on. How is the Senate more responsible than the House for their failure to reach an agreement?

The senate never approved their own budget in 4 years, period full stop. Thus no way to reconcile any potential disagreements.

[DinoDoc]

The senate never approved their own budget in 4 years, period full stop. Thus no way to reconcile any potential disagreements.

It looks like a Senator is willing to force that issue if the House GOP is willing to pick up the gauntlet he put forward.

[Straybow]

Most partisan president in history. If you're seriously this ignorant of history...

Let's see his record. Told Republicans, "I won, now you can sit in the back of the bus." He repeatedly refused to meet with Republicans while publicly claiming willingness to "bargain." Sided with Pelosi when she refused to release the text of the health care bill, despite rules requiring publishing (at least to fellow congressmen) before a vote can be taken.

I employed a bit of hyperbole, and admit that some early presidents may have been more partisan by some small margin that I can't be bothered to measure.

[DaShi]

Considering how far he went to appease them with the Stimulus Package and the total cold shoulder they gave him, it's no wonder that he doesn't waste time trying to work with them. Plus, their ideas are terrible.

I've employed no hyperbole. In fact, Obama is one of the least partisan presidents. He has proposed a lot of conservative legislation whether the republicans liked it or not.

[Straybow]

Oh, my bad. What were these proposed conservative legislations again? I must have forgotten.

[DaShi]

Obviously. Half of the stimulus plan supported conservative ideas just to get the support of republicans. However, I guess you just believe what they tell you at the moment.

[Straybow]

Stimulus Package Passes With Zero Republican Support

Perhaps you should check your facts, genius. Next?

[DaShi]

Perhaps you should learn to read. Not sure why I even bothered with you. You've demonstrated no aptitude in the past.

[Straybow]

The three Republican Senators who voted for it: Snowe, Collins, and Specter. Not one conservative. Is that the best you can do?

[DaShi]

OK, you are now officially too retarded to talk to.

This would be funner if you were smart enough to realize eventually the enormity of your error.

[Straybow]

C'mon, DaShi, where's your list? I know, there are so many you must be busy editing it down so it's more readable.

[kentonio]

Health Insurance mandate = Republican idea
Cap & Trade = Republican idea
Bank Bailout/Stimulus = Republican idea
Immigration Reform = Republican idea

Yeah, Obama's such a socialist..

[Straybow]

Health Insurance Mandate
Ah, so one conservative opinion, expressed in the 1993 by Stuart Butler and the Heritage Foundation as an alternative to Hillarycare, and afterwards disavowed in every analysis and proposal issued by Heritage Foundation, makes it a "Republican" idea? Or perhaps you mean Romneycare, the system instituted by Democrat-controlled Massachusetts while the progressive Romney (who spent his entire nomination campaign convincing everyone he is not a conservative) was governor? The same Romney who garnered 3 million fewer Republican votes than the lame 2008 McCain campaign?

No, health care reform has been the drumbeat of socialist Democrats for generations. They had that enormous turd of a bill already written up before the 111th Congress was seated, and insisted that it be passed without any Republican review, much less input ("You'll have to pass the bill to see what's in the bill").

Not Republican. Next, please.

Cap & Trade
Let's see... originally proposed during the Johnson administration by the predecessor of the EPA, championed by Al Gore and the Chicago Climate Exchange, the scheme initiated by the Waxman (D)-Markey (D) bill, and finally killed by the Republicans in Congress. So the only Republican fingerprints are on death weapon.

Not Republican. Next, please.

Bank Bailout
Proposed by W's Treasury Secretary Henry Poulson and originated in the Republican Senate. About $289B the authorized funds were used during W's term, the rest was left for O to use, about $142B to date. The most controversial aspects of the bailout did not arise from the TARP fund itself, but were actions independently taken by the Federal Reserve. Today the total estimated action of the Fed is nearly $7,700B. Even counting the whole $431B as originating from the W administration it is 5.5% of the total.

But wait, the whole banking crisis came because of the sub-prime mortgage crisis, which is laid entirely at the feet of Frank-Dodd and the Clinton DoJ.

Not Republican. Next, please.

Stimulus
O didn't use all the TARP funds. Instead he backed he Stimulus Package that passed the House without a single Republican vote, and only the 3 most liberal Republicans (Snowe, Collins, Specter) voted for it in the Senate, and they had to be promised all kinds of things to do so. If it was a Republican idea, why did 98½% of Republican oppose it?

Not Republican. Next, please.

Immigration Reform
What is it that Obama did? Oh, yes. Obama told his ICE to stop enforcing immigration laws. His DoJ filed suit against Arizona for writing a law enabling state and local police to pick up the slack.

The DREAM act was Republican, Orrin Hatch and somebody I've forgotten. But by 2012 Republican Senators withheld their votes unless Obama's enforcement policy lapses were restored.

Current immigration policy, not Republican. Next, please.

[DaShi]

Health Insurance mandate = Republican idea
Cap & Trade = Republican idea
Bank Bailout/Stimulus = Republican idea
Immigration Reform = Republican idea

Yeah, Obama's such a socialist..

ken, it is simply not possible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who lacks the basic of reading comprehension skills. Don't bother. In addition, I believe that Straybow may be legitimately retarded, so any conversation with him is an exercise in futility that will just make you look foolish.

[SlowwHand]

Barak's idea. Such a hypocrite.

Obama Signs Bill Giving Him Armed Protection For Life



While simultaneously launching effort to disarm the American people