Who are American politicians beholden to? The People? The Constitution?

[kentonio]

Bob McDonnell came out against it to save the Virginia republicans after the retarded ****storm. It's actually a medical necessity, so making it mandatory doesn't even change anything for almost anyone. The point of the ultrasound bill, in any case, wasn't to force women to have something shoved up their vaginas.

Jesus ****ing christ, please, please stop being a ****ing moron!!

It was to force them to see that they were about to kill a living thing with a beating heart etc etc.

Because those stupid women don't understand what they're doing or the consequences of their actions, so they need to have it rubbed in their face to ensure that they suffer just a little bit more, right? Maybe a few of the silly things will realize the error of their ways, but hey if they don't then at least it'll give them a bit more trauma and a bit more mental anguish to add to the inevitable suffering that pretty much every woman gets who decides to undertake that horrible but occasionally vital procedure.

How ****ing dare you masquerade as a human being, you're not a member of the same species.

[DinoDoc]

What anguish? I thought it was a 50 cell clump with no real importance.

[kentonio]

What anguish? I thought it was a 50 cell clump with no real importance.

It's a complex subject, you should probably leave it to those with genuine human emotions. Then again, statistically someone in your extended family almost certainly had an abortion at one point or another. Maybe you should give that a few minutes thought before spouting this crap?

[DinoDoc]

It's a complex subject,

It's actually quite simple. Either it is a human life with meaning and significance in which case its right that its death should be anguished over by all involved or its not and its removal should bear as much emotional weight as removing a cancerous tumor.

I'm sure this never happens at all: The terminators: using abortion as a form of contraception

[Hauldren Collider]

If you believe that a fetus is a human life then almost anything is justified to protect it, kentonio, that's what you will never understand--that people like myself actually believe that and it has nothing to do with women's rights at all.

[kentonio]

It's actually quite simple. Either it is a human life with meaning and significance in which case its right that its death should be anguished over by all involved or its not and its removal should bear as much emotional weight as removing a cancerous tumor.

Because human beings are simple creatures who think in simple ways right? When a woman terminates a pregnancy damn right she suffers with the issue of a child that could have been, but the very fact that so many millions of women decide to make that choice should tell you that this is something that has to be available. That's what pisses me off about you pro-life types, you try and see this black and white terms that don't show the slightest understanding of how humans actually live.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...07114_n.jpgI'm sure this never happens at all: The terminators: using abortion as a form of contraception

I'm damn sure it makes up only a tiny fraction of abortion cases, because who the **** would put themselves through a medical procedure rather than just go on the pill/insist on condoms/get the morning after pill etc?

If you believe that a fetus is a human life then almost anything is justified to protect it, kentonio, that's what you will never understand--that people like myself actually believe that and it has nothing to do with women's rights at all.

It has everything to do with womens right, and even more about people like you minding your own damn business and stopping trying to insert your own narrow morality onto millions of women who think you're full of ****. Oh and don't give me that 'almost anything is justified to protect ii' bull****, it's a mantra and nothing more. You think 'almost anything' is justified? Well what have you done? What have you sacrificed? Blown up any clinics lately? Shot any doctors? Or are you just sitting in your comfortable little life pontificating about **** you've literally no experience or knowledge of?

**** you people, abortion doesn't affect your lives in the slightest, but you get all high and mighty and in the process contribute to the suffering of women who already go through a deeply traumatic process. You want to preach about the sanctity of life? Then get your arrogant asses out on the streets next time theres an anti-war rally, or an anti-death penalty rally or a dispand the military rally. Wouldn't want you to look like a bunch of ****ing hypocrites after all, would we?

[Hauldren Collider]

Good lord you're ****ing stupid. It's like you don't even realize half of women in the US are anti-abortion as well.

[DaShi]

Half the women? Source?

[PLATO]

Much as I hate to do it...I have to agree with kentonio on this one. Republicans are obviously trying to make something that is legal be very difficult and that should not be done.

In my opinion, the Republicans should work on emohasising that the USSC ruling was in error. Abortion is not a federal issue. This issue should be returned to each individual State to decide what is best for their population. I imagine that, in this day and age, most all States would legalize the procedure. Both parties should then respect the determination of each State's legislature. I don't think that anyone would be able to successfully argue that the State's Legislatures are a better reflection of the majority opinion in their State than the federal legislature is.

[Imran Siddiqui]

If you believe that a fetus is a human life then almost anything is justified to protect it, kentonio, that's what you will never understand--that people like myself actually believe that and it has nothing to do with women's rights at all.

Well, it somewhat does even if it is a human life. The story of the famous pianist and all - does being a human life entitle one to physically live off another human? Why or why not?

[Jon Miller]

Is a baby entitled to care by it's parents?

JM

[Jon Miller]

Half the women? Source?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314640/abortion-and-gender-gap-numbers-ramesh-ponnuru

http://spectator.org/blog/2012/08/22/do-men-and-women-view-abortion

http://www.rtl.org/prolife_issues/abortionpolls.html

(As noted, I consider myself pro-life but see abortion as sometimes being the best option (medical danger) or that there seems to be nothing ethically wrong with it (1st trimester, possible some period of the 2nd)).

It seems to me, despite what I See on forums like this one, that people as a group tend towards right morality. It is just the politics/options provided to them which gives the mess we have now.

People have a mostly reasonable view of the ethical concerns (from rtl page):
To Save Woman's Life - Legal: 88% Illegal: 10%
To Save Woman's Health - Legal 82% Illegal: 14%
In Cases of Rape/Incest - Legal 81% Illegal: 17%
Physically Impaired Baby - Legal 54% Illegal: 40%
To End Unwanted Pregnancy - Legal: 42% Illegal: 57%
D&X/Partial-Birth Abortions - Legal: 23% Illegal: 69%
Pregnancy is 6 Months or More - Legal: 11% Illegal: 86%

The only one I disagree with is cases of rape/incest... I think the emotions involved upset peoples thinking (I would also require a doctor to defend that the baby was really seriously physically impaired and not just gay/deaf/female).

JM

[Dinner]

Is a baby entitled to care by it's parents?

JM

Not just yes but hell yes.

[Al B. Sure!]

So this thread is about abortion now... I see...

[giblets]

If you believe that a fetus is a human life then almost anything is justified to protect it, kentonio, that's what you will never understand--that people like myself actually believe that and it has nothing to do with women's rights at all.

Like it or not you are trying to remove a woman's autonomy over her own body.