benghazi conspiracy = birthers

[DinoDoc]

And you would have us remove consulates from every country. Thank you Captain Hindsight.

What makes the UK and Red Cross so prescient?

[DaShi]

What makes the UK and Red Cross so prescient?

Begging the question.

[Alexander's Horse]

In most cases the obvious answer, which is in plain sight, is the right one

[Lul Thyme]

This thread is idiotic. The controversy is over the fact that for weeks the President insisted that the attack was over some video, and then proceeded to have the man who made the video that nobody watched and nobody cared about arrested on trumped up charges! This is despite the fact that it was obvious to everyone else that it was a terrorist attack. And that multiple organs of the government knew that it was a terrorist attack and possibly knew about it ahead of time. Considering that calling it a terrorist attack doesn't fit with the administration's everyone-hates-us-and-it's-our-fault worldview, and also that it doesn't mesh well with saying Obama has been a hard-charging foreign policy success, there are multiple unseemly explanations for the lack of transparency from the administration.

It seems to me the truth is somewhere in between.
In many other arab countries there WERE actually protests over the movie, most of which were rather peaceful.
The most likely scenario in my mind is that most of the protesters in Libya were actually protesting over the movie and that a group of terrorist used this a cover-up to burn the Embassy and murder the staff.

While that still leaves concerns about what exactly the administration was saying as opposed to what they knew, I don't think it's fair to say that when they were claiming it was about the movie, it was complete BS.

[kentonio]

Islamists and others in the Middle East feel a strong, grounded animosity towards the United States that is not going to go away whatever policy the United States adopts, no matter how understanding and empathetic their leadership may be. The reason being that the United States is both a powerful nation and a symbol of democratic values that are antithetical to theirs. As Bush it: "they hate us for our freedom."

[DinoDoc]

It seems to me the truth is somewhere in between.
In many other arab countries there WERE actually protests over the movie, most of which were rather peaceful.
The most likely scenario in my mind is that most of the protesters in Libya were actually protesting over the movie and that a group of terrorist used this a cover-up to burn the Embassy and murder the staff.

State Department: No video protest at the Benghazi consulate

[DaShi]

The officials on the call did not respond directly to allegations made by Nordstrom and Wood that the State Department rejected repeated requests to increase security in Libya, but they defended the security in Benghazi and said that Stevens was traveling with five diplomatic security agents, two more than his regular contingent of three, in light of the increased threat environment.

"There had been no attacks like that anywhere in Libya in the time that we had been there. So it was unprecedented," the official said. "In fact, there hasn't been an attack like that in recent diplomatic history."

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[DaShi]

The officials on the call did not respond directly to allegations made by Nordstrom and Wood that the State Department rejected repeated requests to increase security in Libya, but they defended the security in Benghazi and said that Stevens was traveling with five diplomatic security agents, two more than his regular contingent of three, in light of the increased threat environment.

"There had been no attacks like that anywhere in Libya in the time that we had been there. So it was unprecedented," the official said. "In fact, there hasn't been an attack like that in recent diplomatic history."

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[DinoDoc]

So are you agreeing with point 1 I raised? After all it was the deteriorating situation in Benghazi that encouraged the UK and Red Cross to close their facilities in that city because they felt they couldn't secure them in an adequate fashion.

[DaShi]

No, that would be incredibly stupid reasoning, because it clearly supports that they reasonably did not predict the event. Pure hindsight now.

[DaShi]

Desperation is so sad.

[DinoDoc]

No, that would be incredibly stupid reasoning, because it clearly supports that they reasonably did not predict the event. Pure hindsight now.

Classified cable warned consulate couldn't withstand 'coordinated attack'

[Sava]

This thread is idiotic. The controversy is over the fact that for weeks the President insisted that the attack was over some video, and then proceeded to have the man who made the video that nobody watched and nobody cared about arrested on trumped up charges! This is despite the fact that it was obvious to everyone else that it was a terrorist attack. And that multiple organs of the government knew that it was a terrorist attack and possibly knew about it ahead of time. Considering that calling it a terrorist attack doesn't fit with the administration's everyone-hates-us-and-it's-our-fault worldview, and also that it doesn't mesh well with saying Obama has been a hard-charging foreign policy success, there are multiple unseemly explanations for the lack of transparency from the administration.

BLA H BLAH BLAH I"M A WHINYT LITTLE BHGITCH WAH WAH WAH

[Sava]

Uh, yeah, I suppose an American ambassador in an American Embassy is killed every day, Sava.

If the bodycount and/or prestige of position determines the level of scandal facing a President, then Obama has a lot of catching up to do if he wants his legacy of American deaths to surpass Bush.

Republicans are responsible for more American deaths in the last 12 years than Al Qaeda.

They are working hard to destroy the American economy and kill as many Americans as possible.

[MrFun]

Believing the Admin was dangerously incompetent in this issue doesn't require a conspiracy.

Well, the president is a black man, so of course his competency should be questioned at every chance, on anything we can grasp at.