The Official 2012 Presidential Election Thread

[Proteus_MST]

I would like you all to consider what is an assault rifle. Is this an assault rifle?



Is this an assault rifle?


If all you're planning on doing is banning "assault rifles" you are a moron. The difference between a "rifle" and an "assault rifle" is almost entirely cosmetic.

And considering we don't have an AWB right now, saying we SHOULD have one, yes, makes you anti-gun, at least relative to status quo.

I would say the difference is in the firing modes they´re capable of.
Only Single Shot = normal Rifle
Capable of Burst Fire/Fully Auto = Assault Rifle

[giblets]

Is prohibiting people from owning nuclear weapons denying people the right to bear arms? See where you're going with your facetiousness?

If your standard for banning a weapon is "it could destroy an entire city" then that standard does not apply to handguns. I'm asking why we should ban "assault weapons" but not handguns.

[Proteus_MST]

Is prohibiting people from owning nuclear weapons denying people the right to bear arms? See where you're going with your facetiousness?

Clear answer ... not, if it is an atomic bomb or an atomic missile.
If we talk about prohibiting artillery pieces with tactical nuclear artillery shells for american citizens, you are, of course, anti gun, as an artillery piece is a gun.

[MrFun]

If your standard for banning a weapon is "it could destroy an entire city" then that standard does not apply to handguns. I'm asking why we should ban "assault weapons" but not handguns.

Okay, bazookas. Why are civilians prohibited from owning bazookas? They don't destroy an entire city.

[Hauldren Collider]

You can own a bazooka I think, there's just a ton of taxes and safety regulations on it I believe. As there should be, because those things are incredibly ****ing unsafe. At any rate they are so rare that you are gonna end up on some three letter agency's list if you acquire one.

[MrFun]

I think favoring regulations on bazookas makes you anti-gun.

[Hauldren Collider]

Bazookas aren't guns, they are explosive devices.

Private companies can legally own things far more destructive than bazookas. You can GET sticks of dynamite. These things have civilian applications, like demolitions and blast mining.

[giblets]

Okay, bazookas. Why are civilians prohibited from owning bazookas? They don't destroy an entire city.

The federal government only requires a permit to own a bazooka.

[Proteus_MST]

Bazookas aren't guns, they are explosive devices.

Private companies can legally own things far more destructive than bazookas. You can GET sticks of dynamite. These things have civilian applications, like demolitions and blast mining.

What about Anti Tank Guns with Sabot Shells?
They are guns and their shells are non explosive

[Hauldren Collider]

Unlike guns, explosives are actually useful for something other than a hobby and tinfoil black helicopter people.

[giblets]

MrFun, if you want to ban "assault weapons" please just admit that you want to repeal the 2nd amendment instead of trying to argue that you're not anti-gun.

[rah]

It's always the same old crap. It's what's wrong with this country. Extremists believe that if you outlaw assault weapons then the next step is to ban everything so heaven forbid we let them chip away. This allows now room for sensible compromise. It's the same thing with abortion. If we restrict abortions 20 seconds before the baby is born, the next step leads us to restrict all abortions. Damn, we can't have that. This type of thinking leads to no reasonable compromises and just keeps us fighting in a vicious circle. There is a middle ground people. Let's find it.

[giblets]

What reason is there to accept an assault weapons ban as the reasonable middle ground? Could you provide a ballpark figure for the number of homicides that could be averted if assault weapons are banned?

[MrFun]

MrFun, if you want to ban "assault weapons" please just admit that you want to repeal the 2nd amendment instead of trying to argue that you're not anti-gun.

I do not want to repeal the Second Amendment.

[Proteus_MST]

It's always the same old crap. It's what's wrong with this country. Extremists believe that if you outlaw assault weapons then the next step is to ban everything so heaven forbid we let them chip away. This allows now room for sensible compromise. It's the same thing with abortion. If we restrict abortions 20 seconds before the baby is born, the next step leads us to restrict all abortions. Damn, we can't have that. This type of thinking leads to no reasonable compromises and just keeps us fighting in a vicious circle. There is a middle ground people. Let's find it.

Definitely the same line of throught that leads some christians to believe that, if the state allows gay couple to marry, it means that every priest is forced to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples.