Who is going to win?

[kentonio]

For a baby who is murdered, it is not just a matter of an interesting moral question, it's about the most fundamental abuse of their bodies and minds.

Generally considered more significant than that of rape...

JM

No not generally considered, otherwise abortion would be illegal. How about we ask women and fetuses for their arguments, and we'll take it from there?

[Jon Miller]

There is over 1 million abortion per year in the US alone. How can people that think life starts at conception sleep at night? Lets say we rounded up and killed 1 millon unemployed per year. I bet thos pro-lifers wouldnt just stand around and debate the legality of it.

Because bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors and the like doesn't help matters.

JM
(Not that I would do such things, or suggest others do them, I do favor non-violent forms of protest and think in issues like this (which is similar to sexism/racism/homophobia) the right response is definitely not violence.)

[Jon Miller]

No not generally considered, otherwise abortion would be illegal. How about we ask women and fetuses for their arguments, and we'll take it from there?

Now someone not being able to speak in a clear manner is reason for them to lose their right to life?

Look at how the law in all countries compares baby murder to rape.

The issue is that in almost all countries the lie that (later stage) abortion (when lives are not in danger) is not baby murder has been accepted on a broad level.

Like the lie that homosexuals are just dirty perverts. Or the lie that those who aren't pure whites are lesser (not even human? very similar to how people excuse abortion). Or the lie that women aren't as smart/capable/etc as men.

The main reason why it is accepted is the same reason as the above lies were accepted. Because it benefits those with power.

JM

[a.kitman]

No you cant have it both ways. Its either the worst atrocity the US goverment have done to there own people or its perfectly ok. I cant see a grey area here.

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[Wezil]

There is over 1 million abortion per year in the US alone. How can people that think life starts at conception sleep at night? Lets say we rounded up and killed 1 millon unemployed per year. I bet thos pro-lifers wouldnt just stand around and debate the legality of it.

I've asked this on the forum before.

Answer? They write letters.

[Jon Miller]

It's right up there with slavery.

I don't see how my actions or millions of other american's actions disagree with that thought.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I've asked this on the forum before.

Answer? They write letters.

I definitely saw how mass violence helped women's rights (and helped women get considered as equals).

JM

[Jon Miller]

I've asked this on the forum before.

Answer? They write letters.

If your position is right, then Bush 2 did the right sort of actions to win the hearts and minds of the Middle East peoples....

JM

[a.kitman]

Because its a war that takes far more US lifes then terrorism could ever hope to.

[Wezil]

We're talking about 1 million of your fellow Americans. Not something on the other side of the planet.

[Wezil]

I know if I truly believed my government was complicit in the mass murder of my fellow citizens I'd do more than write (presumably) strongly worded letters. I guess that's just me.

[snoopy369]

Wait, you're arguing that Pro-Lifers are hypocrites because they aren't taking up arms over the fact that abortions are legal?

Please go away and don't come back until you're remotely reasonable. Even Ben Kenobi hasn't said anything that unreasonable in weeks.

[Wezil]

Where did I say "take up arms"?

An apology is in order for your MASSIVE strawman (in addition to the foul comparison to Ben).

[snoopy369]

I'm talking to a.kitman, not you, though you seem to be heading the same direction...

[Imran Siddiqui]

You clearly implied it.