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    California gas prices jump by up to 20 cents overnight

    SAN FRANCISCO -- Californians woke up to a shock Friday as overnight gasoline prices jumped by as much as 20 cents a gallon in some areas, ending a week of soaring costs that saw some stations close and others charge record prices.

    The average price of regular gas across the state was nearly $4.49 a gallon, the highest in the nation, according to AAA's Daily Fuel Gauge report.

    In Southern California, the price jumped 20 cents a gallon overnight to $4.53 in Ventura. And in the Los Angeles-Long Beach area prices went up 19 cents to nearly $4.54. And it wasn't any better to the north, as a gallon of regular gas in San Francisco averaged nearly $4.60.

    In many areas, prices have jumped 40 cents in a week as refinery problems have created shortages and helped send wholesale prices soaring. Some stations ran out of gas and shut down Thursday rather than pay those costs.

    "We do not know when we will be resupplied," read a sign at a closed Costco station, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    Other gas stations charged more than $5 a gallon. The Low-P station in Calabasas charged $5.69 Thursday. The pumps bore hand-written signs reading: "We are sorry, it is not our fault," the Times said.

    Although gas prices have spiked around the nation, refinery outages and pipeline problems have added to woes in California.

    Among the recent disruptions, an Aug. 6 fire at a Chevron Corp. refinery in Richmond left one of the region's largest refineries producing at a reduced capacity. A power failure in Southern California has affected an Exxon Mobil Corp. refinery, and a Chevron pipeline that moves crude to Northern California also was shut down.

    The national average for gas is about $3.79 a gallon, the highest ever for this time of year. However, gas prices in many states have started decreasing, which is typical for October.

    But in California, gasoline inventories are the lowest in more than 10 years -- a situation made worse by the state's strict pollution limits that require a special blend of cleaner-burning gasoline during hot summer months.

    Patrick DeHaan, senior petroleum analyst at GasBuddy.com, said he is seeing the highest prices in the state around Los Angeles, where Thursday at least five stations crossed the $5 a gallon mark, including $5.29 in Burbank and $5.11 in Norwalk.

    Prices will keep rising, he says, because in the past week wholesale gasoline prices have jumped $1 a gallon, but average retail prices have increased only 30 cents.

    "This is one of the easiest forecasts: Retail prices are going to skyrocket," DeHaan said.

    The jump in wholesale prices can be particularly tough on independent gas stations that often pay more for their gas.
    Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10...s-jump-by.html
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    Naw, we'll just pay more for gas due to a refinery fire in SF and then a pipeline getting closed down for repairs in LA at the same time.
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    • #3
      Is it time to rethink this part:
      a situation made worse by the state's strict pollution limits that require a special blend of cleaner-burning gasoline during hot summer months.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #4
        Yeah, having to pay an extra 20 cents for gas for a short time period should make them rethink not wanting to live in a polluted cesspool.

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        • #5
          If it were only .20$ you'd have a point. However they pay 1$ more than the national average, a regressive tax on the poor. Given your ideological bent something you might care about.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
            Is it time to rethink this part:
            I though we determined the best way to do it was to tax based on what needed to be taxed (like gasoline due to pollution/roads/congestion/accidents/etc) and take care of fairness by transfer payments?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gribbler View Post
              Yeah, having to pay an extra 20 cents for gas for a short time period should make them rethink not wanting to live in a polluted cesspool.
              It amuses me that you think this policy actually makes a dime of difference to the environment.

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              • #8
                Yeah. It's like when they removed lead from petrol. All those stupid people, they thought it would actually make a difference to the environment.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  Is it time to rethink this part:
                  Guess who spent millions lobbying for that special blend too? It wasn't the environmentalists. It was literally the four big refinery owners who sell about 90% of the state's gas supply. They didn't want to have to compete against gas refined in other states so they lobbied long and hard to make it a special this state only blend to discourage imports. Yes, many people have been trying to change this law but trying to get past the strangle hold those oil company lobbyists have on Sacramento is virtually impossible.
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                  • #10
                    So can I put you down as a yes on removing the idiotic blend requirement?
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                    • #11
                      I'd love to but it will happen over ExxonMobil's dead body (and Chevron's and Arco's and half a dozen others). They have the money to bribe all the legislatures they want so they get what they want. To compare the only large environmental group in the state is the Sierra Club but their donations are just a tiny fraction of the money handed out by folks like the oil companies. That's why the politicians give lip service to the Sierra Club but actually do what the oil companies tell them to do.
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                      • #12
                        Wait, oil companies actually get money out of the California blend thing? That's kind of surprising. I suppose it makes sense; it's a limited market so whoever has those special refineries gets it all, or something like that.

                        Crony capitalism

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                          Guess who spent millions lobbying for that special blend too? It wasn't the environmentalists. It was literally the four big refinery owners who sell about 90% of the state's gas supply. They didn't want to have to compete against gas refined in other states so they lobbied long and hard to make it a special this state only blend to discourage imports. Yes, many people have been trying to change this law but trying to get past the strangle hold those oil company lobbyists have on Sacramento is virtually impossible.
                          And the price going up would tend to encourage imports.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                            Is it time to rethink this part:
                            I was wondering what this thread had to do with Democrats.

                            Good to know the one-trick pony is still alive and well.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                              If it were only .20$ you'd have a point. However they pay 1$ more than the national average, a regressive tax on the poor. Given your ideological bent something you might care about.

                              This is the best post you've made in a long time.

                              I agree with you that California is not spending enough on public transit. Poor people shouldn't have to own cars - they're ridiculously expensive even without the price of gas.

                              If California had been planned as per smart growth plans and invested enough in public transit like most civilized countries, this would be a complete non-issue.
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