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Absent all other considerations, how well did he do his job?
This question is about effectiveness and competance, not ideology.
This question is about effectiveness and competance, not ideology.
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28Good, and I am a citizen of the United States21.43%6Poor, and I am a citizen of the United States35.71%10Good, and I am not a citizen of the United States17.86%5Poor, and I am not a citizen of the United States25.00%7No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful. -
Pretty poor. Started out with good intentions of bi-partisan governance, and failed to adapt when those bi-partisan attempts were not reciprocated. His foreign policy has been pretty excellent though (which was a surprise).
Basically I think he'd have been an excellent president if he'd come into office at a time of less turmoil, but the Dems would have done better with a brawler than a thinker this time around. -
Agree with the above.Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"Comment
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Poor, and not because I disagree with his politics; but from the perspective of a supporter, he hasn't accomplished much of what he said he would accomplish. The healthcare reform was done poorly - again, nobody on either side of the aisle really likes 'obamacare', and it will not solve the main problems it needed to; he hasn't changed the rhetoric in Washington; he is just as bad as W in terms of personal freedoms (Guantanamo anyone?) and is almost worse in some ways - in the RIAA's pocket for example. The biggest promised success of his presidency was... saying he supported gay marriage? No, sorry, not an effective president.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.Comment
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He's been mediocre, which is sadly not an option in the poll."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund FreudComment
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Good/Citizen is the closest to me ("More Good than Bad" & "Citizen" meets me exactly).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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This. Not an utter disaster or a disgrace like W, but...bleehhhhh.Originally posted by Guynemer View PostComment
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From economic to foreign policy, I would say he's been fairly poor.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Guess."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
Eschewing silly games since December 4, 2005Comment
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The Obama campaign poster as your avatar makes that hard.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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See, my problem with this: A president should not be evaluated on 'Good' vs 'Bad'. He should be evaluated as to whether he accomplished the goals he desired to accomplish; and separately, on whether those goals were beneficial goals. I don't care if you like or don't like W, for example; he largely accomplished the goals he set out to accomplish (well, post-9/11 anyway). So he wasn't all bad - even if those goals were not beneficial goals in your mind. I'd always rather a president get something done, even if it's not what I agree with (with some limits, like, not Stalin) than get nothing done - and that's largely what Obama's done (or, rather, not done).Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.Comment
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His largest success is something he seems reluctant to run on: Obamacare. Which he got done by letting other priorities fall to the wayside.Originally posted by snoopy369 View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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What if you aren't fond of the goals? I think evaluating on goals is kind of silly.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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This.Originally posted by Elok View Post
I compared him to his predecessor and his alternative (McCain/Palin), so he got "good"."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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How do you evaluate without goals?It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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