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Has Obama been a good President, or a poor President?
				
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 You look at what they've accomplished and see if the good outweighs the bad. I mean they are politicians - the goals are there to get them elected.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
 - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
 
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 If what they've accomplished is not what they said they would accomplish, then I don't think it should count. Yes, I know politicians will say anything to get elected but I tend to try to hold them them to what they said they'd do.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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 Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter both like Obama. He's elevated their standing in the presidential ranking.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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 He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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 Carter probably. Clinton (pre-revolution) is still better than Obama.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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 This poll isn't about ideology, it's about effectiveness. It is possible to not like someone, even be an enemy of someone, and still recognize their competance.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostWhat if you aren't fond of the goals? I think evaluating on goals is kind of silly.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
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 Why would you do that? I did say "absent all other conditions". This poll is to be objective, not comparitive.Originally posted by Asher View PostThis.
 
 I compared him to his predecessor and his alternative (McCain/Palin), so he got "good".No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
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 Originally posted by Asher View Post 
 
 You've been in management for too long. 
 
 ...and you haven't been in it long enough. Last edited by The Mad Monk; September 26, 2012, 21:53.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful. Last edited by The Mad Monk; September 26, 2012, 21:53.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.
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 There is no objectivity in asking if someone is good or bad. It's all subjective.Originally posted by The Mad Monk View PostWhy would you do that? I did say "absent all other conditions". This poll is to be objective, not comparitive.
 
 What Americans are asked at the polls is which man should be president. If the choice is between two people, the only rational way to evaluate is to compare the outcomes."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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 Obama's been a bad president, but a good witch.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
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 Well - another poll is needed: Who was a better president in the first term. GW or Obama. I bet in that one Obama would look good.
 
 Only by using some comparative vs abysmal competition can Obama come out as anything resembling good. He had a good start, and has abysmally poor competition, but not much more than that.
 
 In the terms of the presidential race, I am curious to see how would a Mormon White House function, just for curiosity sake, even if it means US collapse four years earlier.Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
 GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"
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 I'm amazed by the confusion of ideas that could lead to a Yugoslavian believing that the US is on the brink of collapse because it might elect a capitalist."You're the biggest user of hindsight that I've ever known. Your favorite team, in any sport, is the one that just won. If you were a woman, you'd likely be a slut." - Slowwhand, to Imran
 
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 Democrats controlled the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT with a supermajority in the senate for over a year and he couldn't get anything passed. He made no attempts at bipartisanship whatsoever, for that matter.Originally posted by kentonio View PostPretty poor. Started out with good intentions of bi-partisan governance, and failed to adapt when those bi-partisan attempts were not reciprocated.His foreign policy has been an unmitigated disaster. His "Russian Reset" was a complete failure, he basically sold out eastern Europe, his middle east "let's **** Israel and then the Arabs will like us!" idea completely backfired, and his general policy of screwing over our allies and making overtures to our enemies convinces everyone to be our enemy instead of our friend. Euros like his foreign policy because he spent a couple of years telling everyone how much better Europe is than the United States, which is of course a load of horse**** but somehow liberals believe that poor socialist failed or failing states are superior to the most powerful country on earth.His foreign policy has been pretty excellent though (which was a surprise).
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 So I went with good.Originally posted by Guynemer View PostHe's been mediocre, which is sadly not an option in the poll.
 
 That being said, I disagree with a number of things that he supports but which he said he would not support before he was elected.
 
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 He did get something passed. It consumed the 1st two years of his term but he got something passed.Originally posted by regexcellent View PostDemocrats controlled the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT with a supermajority in the senate for over a year and he couldn't get anything passed.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
 For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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