News about the female body

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Pro-Life: YOU WILL LOVE YOUR RAPEBABY OR THE STATE WILL RAISE IT. NEVER ANY ABORTIONS!

You need to add "And we will awkwardly fudge the issue and get a bit shifty where ectopic pregnancy is concerned" to that.

[MrFun]

It's amusing how some people on here are conflating the words "fetus" and "child" as if they mean the same thing.

[Robert]

It's amusing how some people on here are conflating the words "fetus" and "child" as if they mean the same thing.

It's a human being.
It doesn't matter if we call it a child, a toddler, a baby or a fetus.
I have a lot of sympathy for pro-choice people and especially for women who are in a difficult situation and are making a choice I would not make.
But I seriously have little respect for the entire "if we name it differently we can kill it after all" attitude.

Why don't you just say: "It's a terrible thing to kill a fetus because it's a human being, but I value the freedom for the mother to choose higher then the life of a human being in the fetus stadium because it's not born yet and not sensible or self aware yet" or something.

The entire "let say it's not a child but a fetus" thing in fact just shows that you're a bit in difficult with the situation yourself as well.
I'm not labeling the piece of meat on my plate suddenly "Chak" b/c I want to distinquis it from a living "chicken". I'm just eating chicken, because I do not value the life of the chicken higher then my need for meat. It doesn't hurt my conscience to do so. Does it hurt you a bit if we say that we kill a child in it's mothers womb? Or can you just plainfully say: "Yes, I agree, but that's the choice I have made and I value the choice of the mother above the life of the child, whatever you name it"

A fetus is a human being in an early state, like a teenager is one in a more developped state and an elderly is one in it's late state.
There's no human being on earth that was never a fetus. Being a fetus is an essential part of being a human being.
And if a fetus is a parasite, then humanity is a parasite because we all only are able to live b/c we once parasited on our mother. All of us.

Most people, and especially all sane people think it's worst to kill a baby or a toddler. We cry the most if a little child has been mollested and when children are murdered our society is shocked. We say "women and children first" if there's danger. We say that every child deserves the right to grow into something of his own chosing. We are against child labor, etc.
But if it's about a child in it's early state, then suddenly that all doesn't matter. Then we can simply kill it.

I can see that someone makes that choice. The pro-choice opinion isn't without valid arguments.
My problem with the pro-choice movement is not so much that they made a different decision on their opinion. My problem is that apparently they can make this very hard decision without much emotion, and they can't hardly understand why pro-life people think differently.
It all sounds like it's an easy choice. Sometimes I get the feeling that (some) pro choice people have more difficulty to eat meat then to abort fetusses. How is that possible!? (mind you: I'm not talking about women who are into abortion, to them it is a very careful difficult choice they make)

So tell me, pro-choice people, is it really a difficult choice you had to make? Do you understand pro-life people, even value their arguments eventhough you consider your arguments to be more valuable? Or is it an easy decision. Just kill it b/c it's not a child yet anyway.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

So tell me, pro-choice people, is it really a difficult choice you had to make? Do you understand pro-life people, even value their arguments eventhough you consider your arguments to be more valuable? Or is it an easy decision. Just kill it b/c it's not a child yet anyway.

It's really easy, and the semantic arguments over nomenclature are both boring and pointless.

[Lonestar]

Leave America now, it's the only way to be sure...

I like my guns.

[Elok]

It's amusing how some people on here are conflating the words "fetus" and "child" as if they mean the same thing.

It's amusing how you and Asher say "it's amusing" like a cheesy monologuing supervillain without realizing how magnificently douchey and juvenile it sounds.

[MikeH]

So tell me, pro-choice people, is it really a difficult choice you had to make? Do you understand pro-life people, even value their arguments eventhough you consider your arguments to be more valuable? Or is it an easy decision. Just kill it b/c it's not a child yet anyway.

It's easy.

I grew up in a society where it was normal to be allowed, the social and medical debate had basically reached the conclusion that it's ok in early pregnancy, and in a few other cases. I understand the history, the womens rights issues, the medical evidence and the story of how we came to that decision, and the rules we have seem about right to me.

I don't think anyone wants to have an abortion, no-one wants there to be loads of unnecessary abortions going on. Prevention through sex education and contraception is much better and we need to focus on those too.

[dannubis]

It's easy.

I don't think anyone wants to have an abortion, no-one wants there to be loads of unnecessary abortions going on. Prevention through sex education and contraception is much better and we need to focus on those too.

THIS...

But then again - and here the entire religion issue comes into play - if you are so frustrated about sex that sex ed becomes impossible, then you reap what you saw, i.e. a lot more unwanted pregnancies. So maybe Plomp, the religeous fanatics should look to themselves first...

[dannubis]

It's amusing how you and Asher say "it's amusing" like a cheesy monologuing supervillain without realizing how magnificently douchey and juvenile it sounds.

Yes, everything you don't agree with based on religeous principles is douchey... we get it.

[Wezil]

We haven't had an abortion law in over 30 years.

Leaving the decision to women and their doctors.



edit - 24 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_canada

[kentonio]

It's amusing how you and Asher say "it's amusing" like a cheesy monologuing supervillain without realizing how magnificently douchey and juvenile it sounds.

Yes, thats 'magnificently douchey and juvenile' whereas describing those on the other side of an argument as pro-murder and calling their position stupid and idiotic is obviously admirable and adult.

[Wezil]

Don't worry. The people up in arms about "baby killing" are writing strongly worded letters about it.

[Camaro]

Leave America now, it's the only way to be sure...

Or better kick these rapists far far away...

[Asher]

It's amusing how you and Asher say "it's amusing" like a cheesy monologuing supervillain without realizing how magnificently douchey and juvenile it sounds.

It genuinely brings amusement to me how large swaths of the population have been conditioned not to think or be empathetic.

[Elok]

It genuinely brings amusement to me how large swaths of the population have been conditioned not to think or be empathetic.

If you genuinely thought that, and were genuinely amused by it, that would make you a cretin. Large waves of thoughtless and heartless people--especially ones in control of the world's most powerful armed forces--would be a cause for fear and anxiety, not amusement. Luckily neither you nor MrFun are actually amused; the word is simply shorthand for "masturbating to my own sense of perceived intellectual superiority" in this context. Now I'm going to go ahead and put the both of you on ignore; have somebody poke me when you grow up.