What document is a proof of American citizenship?

[Felch]

Yeah? I'm actually interested in getting the Ruger SR22. .22LR ammo is so goddamn cheap right now.

Mine is a SIG Mosquito. It's very picky about it's ammo, but it's fun and comfortable.

[onodera]

The problem comes in when:

You don't have a driver's license (for whatever reason)
You don't have a birth certificate (for whatever reason)
You don't have a social security card (for whatever reason)

Could be lost/stolen/etc....

But then suddenly proving your identity becomes a time consuming and possible costly affair. It becomes much harder if you can't trace backwards (I think my mom had to help my brother get his birth certificate when he needed one again).

Yes, for the person with a car and who holds a job it is easy.... (and if they get stolen, still easy)

note you can't legally work without a social security card

JM

How the **** can someone live without a single bloody document? Why don't the police deport them as illegal immigrants?

[regexcellent]

How the **** can someone live without a single bloody document? Why don't the police deport them as illegal immigrants?

Proof beyond reasonable doubt is required. But to answer the first question, you really can't. That's why the whole voter ID thing disenfranchising people is so ludicrous. You need an ID to get a job, to drive a car, and to fly on airplanes. You also need one to buy alcohol, tobacco, guns, certain types of knives (in many states), and ammunition. In some states even buying spray paint or any kind of aerosol requires an ID. I guess if you're riding buses everywhere for your transportation and living on welfare you might not need one.

[MikeH]

You'd need ID to claim your welfare?

[regexcellent]

Maybe. I've never been on welfare, so I don't know. My guess is that you don't.

[Tuberski]

Proof beyond reasonable doubt is required. But to answer the first question, you really can't. That's why the whole voter ID thing disenfranchising people is so ludicrous. You need an ID to get a job, to drive a car, and to fly on airplanes. You also need one to buy alcohol, tobacco, guns, certain types of knives (in many states), and ammunition. In some states even buying spray paint or any kind of aerosol requires an ID. I guess if you're riding buses everywhere for your transportation and living on welfare you might not need one.

I never need an ID to buy alcohol or tobacco. You don't need one to drive a car, poor people don't fly a whole lot. I've used my ID only a couple of times in the last few months, every time was at the pharmacy.

You need ID to buy Sudafed.

ACK!

[regexcellent]

You need a driver's license to drive a car. Every single store I've ever been to that sells alcohol or tobacco requires one as a matter of course.

[Wezil]

You don't need a drivers license to drive a car.

I've driven many cars without one.

[MikeH]

Maybe. I've never been on welfare, so I don't know. My guess is that you don't.

That would seem like a sensible change to make (and I'm a Eurocom)

[Hauldren Collider]

Proof beyond reasonable doubt is required. But to answer the first question, you really can't. That's why the whole voter ID thing disenfranchising people is so ludicrous. You need an ID to get a job, to drive a car, and to fly on airplanes. You also need one to buy alcohol, tobacco, guns, certain types of knives (in many states), and ammunition. In some states even buying spray paint or any kind of aerosol requires an ID. I guess if you're riding buses everywhere for your transportation and living on welfare you might not need one.

You need ID to buy ****ing cough medicine.

EDIT: Oh, tubes hit that one.

[Lorizael]

It makes sense to a Eurocom because ID requirements are one of those areas where Democrats and Republicans quietly switch ideological stances and hope no one notices. Democrats suddenly argue that requiring ID tramples on individual liberty, and Republicans suddenly argue that government needs to step in and regulate.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

If someone stopped me on the street right now and demanded that I prove that I'm an American citizen, I couldn't do it -- and neither could most Americans. The only document that can reliably be used to prove American citizenship is a passport; it's the only document that contains BOTH a confirmation of citizenship AND a photo ID. Citizenship is not required to obtain a driver's license -- the only form of ID most Americans carry, myself included. Beyond that, there's very little. Citizenship can be inferred from a birth certificate, but it would take a second ID to show the birth certificate with the person showing it (and even that wouldn't be sufficient for someone with a common name). A passport is really the only such document -- and fewer that 20% of Americans have passports.

[MrFun]

That's because I'm waiting for you to read your own goddamn article.

I'll help you out: The GOP complaints couldn't even come up with a specific example, at and least some of the "high voting percentage turnout" districts that the city commissioners have studied have been traced right back to machine error. Given the complete cluster electronic voting has been(printed receipts? Poppycock!) this is unsurprising. And now, in August, the PA GOP has actually admitted that if voter fraud does exist on a wide scale in PA, voter ID wouldn't solve it.

[regexcellent]

You don't need a drivers license to drive a car.

I've driven many cars without one.

Then you'd better not be speeding. That requires banking on the police not stopping you.

The mere process of becoming licensed to operate a motor vehicle involves getting photo identification.

[Wezil]

Sure, but that wasn't the claim.