What document is a proof of American citizenship?

[Lonestar]

So what's the problem with all these voter ID checks, then?

Voter fraud is a largely imaginary phenomena in modern US voting. There are people who for whatever the reason don't have photo ID, and it's difficult to get ahold of because the state services suck(like in WV where the DMVs are only open one day a week and few and far between). You have to present your voter registration card anyway, and a line is struck off on the list of voters in the district the district polling place has. This alone greatly minimizes fraud, since several people can't just hit the same district again and again.


That said, I wouldn't be opposed to, say, putting your thumbprint next to your ballot(or on the voter scanner machine). This would create a pretty much ironclad defense against voter fraud and wouldn't require ID other than your voter registration card. People wouldn't go for it thought because OMFG BIG BROTHER MARK OF THE BEAST.

[regexcellent]

There are districts in Philadelphia with routinely greater than 100% turnout. In Virginia quite recently a DC-based nonprofit tried to register a bunch of pets, children, dead people, and felons. It was in a copy of the Washington Post sitting in the Fed's lunch room.

[Lonestar]

There are districts in Philadelphia with routinely greater than 100% turnout.

Cite please, because even the GOP government of Pennsylvania thinks that voter fraud risk is so low that it would not be materially affected by a voter ID law.

In Virginia quite recently a DC-based nonprofit tried to register a bunch of pets, children, dead people, and felons. It was in a copy of the Washington Post sitting in the Fed's lunch room.

You mean the one that the VA SBE gave a pass on anyway, since there would be a bit of a sticking point when invalid(or missing) SSNs tried to get registered to vote?

You do realize that this means the system is already working well to prevent voter fraud, right? And that there's a difference between attempted voter fraud and actual?

[Hauldren Collider]

**** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.

When did that start? Mail your state senator!

[Al B. Sure!]

Cite please, because even the GOP government of Pennsylvania thinks that voter fraud risk is so low that it would not be materially affected by a voter ID law.

Okay.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/04/20/philly-election-officials-take-up-gop-complaints/

[Felch]

**** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.

I got a delay last week buying a Ruger 10/22, but that was an issue with NICS having an overload or something.

[Hauldren Collider]

You didn't already have a 10/22, Felch?

[Lonestar]

When did that start? Mail your state senator!

The real Kicker is that in 2005 or so I was able to pick up my 9mil the day I bought it at the PX in San Diego(firearms at Post Exchanges are subject to state rules). The guns I've bought in VA I always get dinged for an extended background check.

[Hauldren Collider]

Weird, my brother was able to get a gun with no trouble whatsoever.

[Lonestar]

Weird, my brother was able to get a gun with no trouble whatsoever.

That's because he looks like Wesley Crusher.

[Hauldren Collider]

Not that brother. My twin brother. And neither of them, do, really...

[Felch]

You didn't already have a 10/22, Felch?

Nope. I had a 22 pistol.

[Lonestar]

Nope. I had a 22 pistol.

Yeah? I'm actually interested in getting the Ruger SR22. .22LR ammo is so goddamn cheap right now.

[Al B. Sure!]

I love how Lonestar asked for a cite and I provided it and he's said nothing since.

[Lonestar]

I love how Lonestar asked for a cite and I provided it and he's said nothing since.

That's because I'm waiting for you to read your own goddamn article.

I'll help you out: The GOP complaints couldn't even come up with a specific example, at and least some of the "high voting percentage turnout" districts that the city commissioners have studied have been traced right back to machine error. Given the complete cluster electronic voting has been(printed receipts? Poppycock!) this is unsurprising. And now, in August, the PA GOP has actually admitted that if voter fraud does exist on a wide scale in PA, voter ID wouldn't solve it.