Chief Justice Roberts saves Obamacare!

[MRT144]

Worst Supreme Court ruling since Dred Scott. Slavery apparently is ok when you're forcing people to buy stuff that you want.



Shapiro's right on that. What's next, invading states that refuse to tax their own citizens into slavery?

good to know that benland is still the same.

[giblets]

Providing bonuses to people for doing something is not the same as penalizing them for not doing something, simply on its face. I don't see what more explanation you need.

Yes it is. You're giving people exactly the same choice: do this and have more money, or don't do it and have less money.

[giblets]

I'm very happy with this ruling. Children with preexisting conditions can no longer be denied healthcare coverage. People won't have to choose between living with bankruptcy or dying.

They will tell their grandchildren about what it was like to not be slaves before OBAMACARE.

[Wiglaf]

Yes it is. You're giving people exactly the same choice: do this and have more money, or don't do it and have less money.

You are confusing choices with their outcomes, and equating similiar outcomes to similar choices.

[MrFun]

Maybe some lawyer can appeal the ruling, and argue that the healthcare reform mandate is in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment.

[giblets]

You are confusing choices with their outcomes, and equating similiar outcomes to similar choices.

A choice is merely a set of alternative outcomes. Same outcomes to choose from, the same choice.

[Wiglaf]

Option A: Nikolai is told he must slim down immediately or pay a $50,000 tax. Nikolai is penalized if he continues to wantonly indulge in dessert, sit at his computer and shill for Firaxis all day.

Option B: Nikolai is told that, if he stops being so very very fat, he will get a $50,000 check from the government. Nikolai now has incentive to shred that dessert take out menu.

We can see that, Nikolai has a choice between doing something and having more money, or not doing it, keeping his chins up and having less money. We can also see that Nikolai is compelled to act and lose weight in the first scenario, and not the second.

[giblets]

Option A: Nikolai is told he must slim down or pay a $50,000 tax. Nikolai is penalized if he fails to do something.

Option B: Nikolai is told that, if he stops being so fat, he will get a $50,000 check from the government. Nikolai has a bonus for doing something.

We can see that, Nikolai has a choice between doing something and having more money, or not doing it and having less money. We can also see that Nikolai is compelled to act in the first scenario, and not the second.

Yeah, if $50,000 checks could materialize out of thin air instead of being extracted from the people who don't slim down and take advantage of teh benefit. And he is "compelled" either way, the first Option is only different from the second if he simply can't afford to pay a $50,000 fine, in which case he doesn't really have a choice. If the fine in Obamacare is less than the cost of health insurance and only people who can afford health insurance are expected to pay the fine then this doesn't apply.

[DaShi]

Goddamn. Romney's been pushing this crap since day 1. He won't gut O-Care.

Ben is right for the wrong reason. Romney will not remove Obamacare because of the political liabilities. If he wins the election, the issue will be swept under rug and not talked about by either party. And this is how a bill becomes a law.

[DaShi]

"Intrigue," by the way, was indeed a very gay name for what I presume is a very gay gameplay mechanic.

I was going to name my son Intrigue.

[Wiglaf]

And he is "compelled" either way.

No, he isn't. I refuse benefits offered to me all the time. It could hardly be said that I am compelled to accept every offer for a blowjob.

[giblets]

No, he isn't. I refuse benefits offered to me all the time. It could hardly be said that I am compelled to accept every offer for a blowjob.

Yet you accept all of them.

[Wiglaf]

No. That is the point, you moron.

Eric Holder is being held in contempt as we speak

[DaShi]

No choice for Eric Holder.

[Wiglaf]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/28/the-political-genius-of-john-roberts/