Eric WithHolder Held in Contempt

[DinoDoc]

BTW many of the papers in question would literally be illegal to turn over so it is perfectly obvious that this really is partisan BS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/...hews/#47926690

From the post you made above this one: It's also a little unclear how the documents are too sensitive to hand over if Holder was indeed willing to trade them for dropping the contempt proceeding.

[DinoDoc]

Has anyone thought of having the New York Times request the documents from the Obama White House? It would certainly cut through the red tape and might get the documents out to the public faster.

[kentonio]

To now properly assert executive priveldge means presidential involvement did indeed occur and thus implies perjury from Holder.

I'm curious, please explain something to me: Considering the operation ended in January 2011 and the Executive Order applies to documents post February 2011, how exactly do they show White House involvement?

[DinoDoc]

I'm curious, please explain something to me: Considering the operation ended in January 2011 and the Executive Order applies to documents post February 2011, how exactly do they show White House involvement?

The document requests center on the events surrounding the letter DOJ sent to Congress denying the existance of Fast and Furious which they had to retract as a lie and the treatment of department whistleblowers. Asserting executive privilege overthose documents is what ties the WH to this scandal.

[kentonio]

The document requests center on the events surrounding the letter DOJ sent to Congress denying the existance of Fast and Furious which they had to retract as a lie and the treatment of department whistleblowers. Asserting executive privilege overthose documents is what ties the WH to this scandal.

Except that the letter was sent on February the 4th, and the order only covers documents after that date. If the White House was involved in the decision to try and cover up the incident, then surely any relevant documents would have been pre-February 4th?

[The Mad Monk]

Only if you think it credible that nobody said anything internally about the letter after the lie was exposed. Come on, this is government we're talking about here. The letter is the begining of the coverup, not the end.

[kentonio]

Dude, the post coverup **** is going to be lots of grubby political advice sent to the president talking about how to minimize any negative fallout in an election year, exactly as you'd expect from any Presidential advisors. This whole thing has been a crappy witchhunt by Issa and it's long ago reached the point where he doesn't ever bother to try and make it look genuine any more. If transparency and 'letting the public know' were so important as he keeps claiming, then why exactly did he refuse to have the ATF meeting helld openly rather than in secret even though Elijah Cummings asked for it? Does transparency and truth seeking only count when it has a negative effect on your political opponents?

[DaShi]

Does transparency and truth seeking only count when it has a negative effect on your political opponents?

I believe that TMM has made that answer clear.

[The Mad Monk]

Dude, that's totally bogus. Grubby political advice isn't worth throwing down executive privaledge, especially when he vowed to never do it, especially in an election year.

[regexcellent]

Does transparency and truth seeking only count when it has a negative effect on your political opponents?

Politicians are only interested in transparency and truth when it is in their self-interest, because they, like everyone else, are self-interested. Fortunately we live in an environment where there is more than one party, so it is always in someone's interest to expose scandals of the government.

This is a case where partisan politics produce a good result.

[kentonio]

Dude, that's totally bogus. Grubby political advice isn't worth throwing down executive privaledge, especially when he vowed to never do it, especially in an election year.

Do you genuinely, hand on heart believe this is a Watergate? Honestly?

This is a case where partisan politics produce a good result.

Pray tell what result exactly it has produced?

[DaShi]

No, this is a case where it is a waste of time and resources. Perhaps the Republicans should focus more on, I don't know, the economy.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2012/06/issa-no-evidence-of-white-house-role-in-fast-and-furious-127099.html

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, acknowledged on Sunday there's no evidence that White House officials played a role in the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal or directed a cover-up of the botched program.

Republican lawmakers and conservatives commentators slammed President Barack Obama last week after President Barack Obama asserted executive privilege over Justice Department documents sought by Issa's panel as part of his Fast and Furious probe. A contempt resolution is set to be voted on by the House this week against Attorney General Eric Holder for failing to turn over those documents.

During an appearance on "Fox News Sunday," Issa acknowledged there was no evidence that White House officials were involved in Fast and Furious or later efforts to keep information from Congress.

"No, we don't," Issa told host Chris Wallace when asked about House Speaker John Boehner's claim that White House aides may have mislead Congress. Issa said his investigation was related to the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, Brian Terry. Terry was killed in Dec., 2010, and guns allowed to be obtained by Mexican drug cartels were found at the scene of the shooting. "And I hope they don't get involved. I hope it stays at Justice, and Justice cooperates."

"What we're seeking is [Justice Department] documents we know to exist, Feb. 4 [2011] to December, that are in fact about Brian Terry's murder, who knew and why people were lying about it and get to the truth." Justice initially sent a letter stating that senior department officials had no knowledge of Fast and Furious, but later withdrew it as "fatally flawed."

[The Mad Monk]

Yes, they are hiding something.

[DaShi]

Did Rush tell you that?

[Sava]

Darrell Issa is a two-bit insurance fraud/car thievery pontificating blowhard.