Stay Classy, Europe

[onodera]

I assume you are taking self criticism to a whole new level ?

No. I simply stated that antisemitism is common in Eastern Europe.

[OzzyKP]

I'm glad there's no racism in Philly.

Sure there is racism, but there is nothing in the US on par with the stuff in that video. It is just shocking that whenever something small happens in this country it becomes international news, but when **** in that video goes on all the time in Europe no one hears about it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sure there is racism, but there is nothing in the US on par with the stuff in that video. It is just shocking that whenever something small happens in this country it becomes international news, but when **** in that video goes on all the time in Europe no one hears about it.

Exactly.

[giblets]

Not the guy that punched the woman was a member of their Nazi party, a party that has 21 seats in the Greek parliament.

Europe is so open about its racism, it is amazing.

If we didn't have a two party system we would have some representatives with some very ugly views. Especially if we had over 20% unemployment.

[Guynemer]

Make no mistake, we already have some representatives with some very ugly views; the two party system forces them to keep them mostly under wraps, however.

[notyoueither]

Our multi-party system has wing-nuts who also are forced to fly under the radar.

It's because the electorate will punish wing-nuts who are too blatant or extreme.

I think it's the electorate, not the system necessarily. We get what we deserve politically.

[OzzyKP]

See that's a notable difference. In North America, sure, we have wingnuts, but they are ostracized, marginalized. It isn't sanctioned for them to speak out. It is universally understood that those views are wrong and they try to tone them down or keep it secret. It seems that in Europe the wingnuts feel comfortable enough about their views to show up at professional sport matches and wear their bigotry proudly. What is even more interesting is that their views are actually illegal in many/most European countries, whereas they aren't illegal here. Yet here those views are socially taboo, and that does a much better job of controlling them.

[Al B. Sure!]

In America, Trent Lott gets destroyed for suggesting he would have voted for a pro-segregation candidate in 1948, while toasting said candidate at his 100th birthday party.

In Europe,



And not a single **** is given.

[giblets]

So your point is that people in Europe are free to dissent from the mainstream and hold views that disgust most people?

[OzzyKP]

So your point is that people in Europe are free to dissent from the mainstream and hold views that disgust most people?

The point is that those views seem uncomfortably close to the mainstream.

[BlackCat]

In europe nutcases act stupid at football games and find it funny to beat up other teams supporters - in US the nutcases buys lots of guns and ammo and FBI has to start small wars to get rid of them.

In some european countries nazi speak aren't allowed, still they are seen at some football games - in US there are freedom of speech but those who dare to have wrong opinions are quelled by society.

[regexcellent]

In europe nutcases act stupid at football games and find it funny to beat up other teams supporters - in US the nutcases buys lots of guns and ammo and FBI has to start small wars to get rid of them.

I have never heard of this happening. I have not heard of shootouts over sports games here. It's certainly not a regular occurrence or a subculture.

Guns, on the other hand, are a culture here, and that is awesome.

[BlackCat]

I have never heard of this happening. I have not heard of shootouts over sports games here. It's certainly not a regular occurrence or a subculture.

Guns, on the other hand, are a culture here, and that is awesome.

Yup, you must be an american since you couldn't figure out what I meant. I said european nutcases act stupid when watching football games - american nutcases buys guns and act stupid generally.

[Kuciwalker]

So your point is that people in Europe are free to dissent from the mainstream and hold views that disgust most people?

Yes, it shows that they aren't good about properly shaming people who believe repugnant things.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

So your point is that people in Europe are free to dissent from the mainstream and hold views that disgust most people?

Yes, in Europe we have this thing we call free speech and tolerance for different of opinions, as long as you do not start shooting anyone in the street noone pays much attention (knifing is OK), we really only care about food, football, women and unemployment benefits.