Stay Classy, Europe

[BlackCat]

Oups, one more cutie :

[BlackCat]

From 60 minutes:

http://youtu.be/IT_bNKBcalI

Sorry, embedding not permitted.

[BlackCat]

I think Disney would be worried about his country

[BlackCat]

KKK on the rise according to FOX news (wich probably makes it unreliable) :

[Elok]

There is no trolling going on.

Oh? You're plainly trying to start a fight with inflammatory, confrontational statements. You give no indication of sincerity or interest in actual discussion. You've managed to be both irrational and outrageous in most of your posts. You're plainly trolling here; the only question is whether you're honest enough to realize it yourself.

[BlackCat]

Ukraine is beating sweden 2-1 currently and not a single heil

[C0ckney]

ozzy: from your article

These actions reflect a broad, and deepening, stream of European public opinion. A recent Pew survey found that over 80% of the French support banning the burqa, as do over 70% of Germans and a large majority of Spaniards and British.

In contrast, nearly two-thirds of Americans find the burqa ban distasteful. Burqas don’t exactly stir admiring glances in the shopping mall, but few Amercians think we need to ban them. The basic ideal of “don’t tread on me” means “don’t tread on them” as well – at least until they start blowing themselves up at Wal-mart.

the implication here is that banning the burqa is done as an attack on muslims, but the argument is actually a lot more subtle. people who support banning the burqa argue that the burqa is a tool to oppress women and is therefore an attack on western liberal values. banning the burqa is thus a means of liberating women and not an attack on muslims (of if it is, it is only insofar as that aspect of islam (which isn't really an aspect of islam, but rather certain cultural groups who happen to be of the muslim religion - but that's another thread) that is incompatible with western values and therefore needs to adapt).

now i don't agree with banning the burqa but the article simply doesn't recognise the arguments for it.

Muslim attitudes in Europe are not exactly helpful either. European Muslims often seem more interested in breaking the national mold than adding to its contours. More than 80% of British Muslims, for example, identify themselves as Muslims first before being British. This is true of nearly 70% of Muslims in Spain or Germany. Similarly, up to 40% of Britain’s Islamic population believe that terrorist attacks on both Americans and their fellow Britons are justified.

which suggests that there are problems with integration, doesn't it.

[Al B. Sure!]

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the implication here is that banning the burqa is done as an attack on muslims, but the argument is actually a lot more subtle. people who support banning the burqa argue that the burqa is a tool to oppress women and is therefore an attack on western liberal values. banning the burqa is thus a means of liberating women and not an attack on muslims (of if it is, it is only insofar as that aspect of islam (which isn't really an aspect of islam, but rather certain cultural groups who happen to be of the muslim religion - but that's another thread) that is incompatible with western values and therefore needs to adapt).

That is what is called 'spin'.

[C0ckney]

[giblets]

No it isn't. What's next... "banning honor killings is anti-muslim bigotry"?

[Dinner]

KKK on the rise according to FOX news (wich probably makes it unreliable) :

That's a local affiliate and the locals aren't completely under the control of the central command when it comes to propaganda messages. BTW we know right wing hate group membership has been surging since ~2008 as right wingers react to the election of a half black president. There have also been reports about some very prevalent links between white supremest groups and the tea party.

[Al B. Sure!]

No it isn't. What's next... "banning honor killings is anti-muslim bigotry"?

You're supposed to point out how the burqa is banned in Turkey, Tunisia, etc. You're slipping.

Anyway, the French ban extends to headscarves like so:



Yeah real tool of oppression that one is.


Meanwhile, in America, we have free exercise of religion.


Frankly, by banning visible representations of religion, you're causing Islam to appear unusual and foreign and not the religion of large numbers of people around you. Familiarity can breed contempt but it also breeds awareness.

I've heard it said that the opening up to pro-gay rights by the American population is directly attributed to the increasing appearance of openly gay characters in tv/film and more gay individuals willing to come out. Being gay is no longer so odd and queer and people understand that people just like them are gay.

[Dinner]

That is what is called 'spin'.

That's what is called reality. Forcing women to wear head to foot coverings out of fear of being physically beaten or having acid thrown in their faces absolutely is repressive and you're a dumb ass for not admitting it. Also, yes, banning it is the only way to stop the practice as the beaten women will claim it is their choice to wear their chains (because they know what will happen to them if they say other wise).

[Al B. Sure!]

That's what is called reality. Forcing women to wear head to foot coverings out of fear of being physically beaten or having acid thrown in their faces absolutely is repressive and you're a dumb ass for not admitting it. Also, yes, banning it is the only way to stop the practice as the beaten women will claim it is their choice to wear their chains (because they know what will happen to them if they say other wise).

yawn...

Let's try to not forget that I'm Arabic descent and I know a crapload of Muslims and supposed Muslims. Never seen anything like what you describe.

That 0.1% that hits the headlines is representative only to bigots like you.

[C0ckney]

You're supposed to point out how the burqa is banned in Turkey, Tunisia, etc. You're slipping.

Anyway, the French ban extends to headscarves like so:



Yeah real tool of oppression that one is.


Meanwhile, in America, we have free exercise of religion.

the french choose to ban all conspicuous religious symbols in schools (note: muslim women are pefectly free to wear the hijab on the street), because they consider themselves to be a secular society. there are also issues such as those i mentioned before. it's a complex issue, not a black and white one.