Israeli Minister: Israel 'belongs to the white man'

[Zoetstofzoetje]

or I should say, ´the situation on the ground´, har har

[Zevico]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...years-1.434127



Germany for Germans! Oh wait...

It's amazing how perfectly daft your comprehension of this quote is.Yishai is a member of the Shas party--a party that describes itself as being for Israeli Jews of Arabic background and whose leadership is composed of Jews born in Arab countries and their descendants. Both of Yishai's parents were born in Tunisia. He is an Israeli Sephardi Jew, of Tunisian descent. Sephardi Middle Eastern, "non-white" Judaism is the entire premise of his political party, you daft, daft man. Yishai doesn't see himself as white: he thinks Muslims see Jews and Israelis as white. His quotation makes perfect sense, incidentally. You yourself have recited propaganda to the effect that Israel belongs in Europe; the source of this propaganda is the perception that Jews are Europeans and that Israelis ought properly "go back to Europe." Yishai is simply pointing this out.

As to the second quote, it refers to "infiltrators." Not all foreigners. This law has the effect of putting illegal immigrants in detention when they commit crimes or overstay visas for an excessively long period of time , and making deportation a likely outcome for them if and when this occurs. One can debate the merits of those policies but it is sheer foolishness to infer that they imply a sense of white identity on the part of a man who has joined a political party borne of the explicit rejection of a white European Jewish Israeli identity in favour of a Middle Eastern Jewish Israeli identity.

[Zevico]

I mean, this is a member of Shas. Shas split from the European religious parties after accusing them of anti-Sephardi racism. Shas aren't angels from the heavens, far from it. But attributing white supremacism to Shas is like saying that Malcolm X supported white power.

[Dinner]

Technically, it is a violation of international law to deport Sudanese and Eritreans. They are protected from deportation due to the situation in their home countries.

Israel is saying South Sudan is a different country now and it is safe to return those people home.

[Az]

Eli Yishai is not ****ing white.

[Az]

re: topic

There is quite a ****storm going on in here, lately. There is a ****load of honest to god refugees running away from war areas, and there is a ****load of people just using the opportunity to get themselves into a first-world country. This, combined with a wave of rape and sexual assault perpetrated by foreigners - several high profile, brutal cases in the last couple of weeks - has created a seriously xenophobic sentiment, especially from people of lower economic status, which see the demographics of their neighborhoods change.

In a clear proof that Israel is a model western-style democracy, we see the usual spectrum of hand-wringing and whining from the entire political spectrum - each segment using it to promote their own agenda, and a complete lack of coherent plan that will combine long-term vision, security and humanitarian values.

The sad thing is that it's not even that hard to conceptualize and implement... :/

[Wezil]

What "first world country"?

A step up from Sudan? Yes.

[Al B. Sure!]

I love how that Israeli dude in the video and people posting on other forums have commented that basically, Mexicans coming illegally into the US, boom headshot! So Americans have no room to talk about immigration. Where the hell did non-Americans get the idea that's what happens?

[Wezil]

I think Az provides a good analysis (for the most part).

I already pointed out one nit-pic.

A second would be "wave of rape and sexual assault perpetrated by foreigners" as I've seen stats that seem to disprove that. A sensational headline or two does not make a "wave".

What is obvious is that there is a sudden influx of large numbers of foreigners who are not legally entitled to state assistance or to hold jobs. This is bound to cause problems.

[Wezil]

re: topic


The sad thing is that it's not even that hard to conceptualize and implement... :/

I'm listening...

[Az]

What "first world country"?

A step up from Sudan? Yes.

quite a couple of steps, actually. Good for you being a Canadian.

I think Az provides a good analysis (for the most part).

I already pointed out one nit-pic.

A second would be "wave of rape and sexual assault perpetrated by foreigners" as I've seen stats that seem to disprove that. A sensational headline or two does not make a "wave".

when you have a month or so with a couple cases a week - it is considered a wave, especially in the public psyche.
Most instances of rape occur with acquaitances anyway - however violent rape by strangers is relatively rare - and is always connected to "Macho" Culture/Easy prey - which means that when this happens, it makes the news, and the news lately have been almost all about people from Africa/Muslims being suspected in this. This doesn't mean that one has to generalize, it explains why is this a strong issue lately.


What is obvious is that there is a sudden influx of large numbers of foreigners who are not legally entitled to state assistance or to hold jobs. This is bound to cause problems.[/QUOTE]

It's not a 'jobs' issue, as most crime isn't even property-related. Israel doesn't have a mechanism for handling people from 3rd world countries.

I'm listening...

a) Separate the refugees from the job-seekers. This is the number one problem - Many of the people arriving aren't refugees, and they honestly have no business being here. Unlike European countries which are suffering from a demographic problem - we are far away from that.
b) establish a quota of refugees which would be similar to other countries quotas in terms of our economic development and that would reflect our commitment to helping our people around the world.
c) create a mechanism for active assistance so as to ameliorate the problems of the people in their countries of origin so as to prevent the need for them to arrive here.
d) create a mechanism for having the refugees accustomed to the norms of our society and spread them around the countries - preventing them from congregating into ghettos.
e) Strictly enforce the law with regards to all parties involved - Israelis, refugees, illegal immigrants, people who give illegal immigrants jobs, people who deny refugees minimal wage - EVERYONE.

Basically what's needed is a policy, and its implementation. Without it, problems arise, naturally.

Most people don't know this, but Israel is very lax with regards to laws - a relic of a nicer era, perhaps, but definetly unsuitable for our modern society.

[Felch]

I love how that Israeli dude in the video and people posting on other forums have commented that basically, Mexicans coming illegally into the US, boom headshot! So Americans have no room to talk about immigration. Where the hell did non-Americans get the idea that's what happens?

That part was pretty funny. Frankly I'm glad people get that impression.

[Wezil]

quite a couple of steps, actually. Good for you being a Canadian.

It has nothing to do with where I happen to live. Israel (the topic of the conversation as you may recall) is a US welfare state living in a bad neighbourhood. Calling it "first world" is putting lipstick on a pig

when you have a month or so with a couple cases a week - it is considered a wave, especially in the public psyche.
Most instances of rape occur with acquaitances anyway - however violent rape by strangers is relatively rare - and is always connected to "Macho" Culture/Easy prey - which means that when this happens, it makes the news, and the news lately have been almost all about people from Africa/Muslims being suspected in this. This doesn't mean that one has to generalize, it explains why is this a strong issue lately.

Sorry, I'm not convinced by your headline anecdotes. Do you have some stats that can back up this "wave" assertion?

It's not a 'jobs' issue, as most crime isn't even property-related. Israel doesn't have a mechanism for handling people from 3rd world countries.

If they can't work and can't get government assistance, how exactly are they expected to live?

a) Separate the refugees from the job-seekers. This is the number one problem - Many of the people arriving aren't refugees, and they honestly have no business being here. Unlike European countries which are suffering from a demographic problem - we are far away from that.
b) establish a quota of refugees which would be similar to other countries quotas in terms of our economic development and that would reflect our commitment to helping our people around the world.
c) create a mechanism for active assistance so as to ameliorate the problems of the people in their countries of origin so as to prevent the need for them to arrive here.
d) create a mechanism for having the refugees accustomed to the norms of our society and spread them around the countries - preventing them from congregating into ghettos.
e) Strictly enforce the law with regards to all parties involved - Israelis, refugees, illegal immigrants, people who give illegal immigrants jobs, people who deny refugees minimal wage - EVERYONE.

Basically what's needed is a policy, and its implementation. Without it, problems arise, naturally.

How do you separate a Eritrean refugee from an Eritrean immigrant?

Most people don't know this, but Israel is very lax with regards to laws - a relic of a nicer era, perhaps, but definetly unsuitable for our modern society.

Enforcing ineffective laws is not a laudable goal.

[giblets]

Given that Israel exists only because the United States subsidizes its defenses and military forces, why don't we just make Israel the 51st state of the United States?

Yes, if the US didn't give Israel $3 billion in aid a year, equal to a little over 1% of Israel's GDP, Israel could not possibly exist.

[giblets]

It has nothing to do with where I happen to live. Israel (the topic of the conversation as you may recall) is a US welfare state living in a bad neighbourhood. Calling it "first world" is putting lipstick on a pig.

Israel has a higher rating in the "human development index" than France or Finland. I don't see what is so unreasonable about calling it "first world". I guess if getting support from the US and having unfriendly neighbors disqualifies you then South Korea and Taiwan are also not "first world"?