Hello everybody

[Ming]

gee... name calling vs denying somebody of their equal rights

I'll bet blacks would choose freedom from slavery over being called the n word.

It's really a simple choice to a rational thinking person.

[kentonio]

Answer me this Jon, what is more likely to make people stop bullying gay people, granting them equal rights to hetrosexuals and emphasizing that they are no different to everyone else, or discriminating against them and saying its ok to discriminate against them because some people just don't like change?

[Ming]

And let's not forget that many so called christians are still calling gays names and see nothing wrong it.

[notyoueither]

Look at history.

Look at what has caused more deaths of gay people, more teen suicides.

You are ridiculous.

JM

I see. You are speaking of racist or bigotry fueled violence.

How many religious reactionaries have been victims of violence due to some people calling them bigots?

[Jon Miller]

Answer me this Jon, what is more likely to make people stop bullying gay people, granting them equal rights to hetrosexuals and emphasizing that they are no different to everyone else, or discriminating against them and saying its ok to discriminate against them because some people just don't like change?

Huh, have you understood a post I have made?

A conservative minded person wouldn't see it as discrimination.

That fact that homosexuals feel discriminated against is important. And there are solid reasons to change marriage to include homosexual relations (as pointed out by zevico).

And yes, I think that gay people feel that 'stop bullying' is important important than gay marriage.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I see. You are speaking of racist or bigotry fueled violence.

How many religious reactionaries have been victims of violence due to some people calling them bigots?

When the group is large enough they are more likely to become insular and lash out at those who attack them.

Which we are seeing now.

You and people like you are doing more to cause attacks against homosexuals than I.

JM

[MRT144]

Look at history.

Look at what has caused more deaths of gay people, more teen suicides.

You are ridiculous.

JM

Jon Miller, you can't honestly be saying that since name calling is only slightly VERY SLIGHTLY less acceptable than it was back before Stonewall, that gays shouldn't be pressing for gay marriage. I'm really surprised that you, of all people, are taking this backwards attitude.

[Kidlicious]

And let's not forget that many so called christians are still calling gays names and see nothing wrong it.

So what?

[MRT144]

So what?

Are you not your brother in faith's keeper?

[MRT144]

When the group is large enough they are more likely to become insular and lash out at those who attack them.

Which we are seeing now.

You and people like you are doing more to cause attacks against homosexuals than I.

JM

Jon Miller sez "Don't fight for rights as a minority because the majority will attack you."

What kind of coward are you Jon? Jesus christ.

[Kidlicious]

Are you not your brother in faith's keeper?

What does that have to do with anything?

[MRT144]

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, as a gay bashing christian, obviously nothing. But you know, you're really a poor example of christian living just like Ben.

[MRT144]

Say what you will about kidicious, he's really come a long way in my opinion. So I'd have to disagree with your assessment that he's morally bankrupt. Since when did you care about that sort of thing?

You didn't deny you'd **** him.

[Jon Miller]

Jon Miller sez "Don't fight for rights as a minority because the majority will attack you."

What kind of coward are you Jon? Jesus christ.

Jon Miller sez 'don't attack people, educate them', and telling them 'bigot bigot bigot' is an attack, using arguments which don't make sense to them isn't educating them.

Or is it the case that me saying 'murderer murderer murderer' is a better response than trying to educate about the realities of abortion?

This issue has to do with what sort of person you are, not just what your religion is.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/may/10/gay-marriage-three-key-factors-voting-bans

JM

[Kidlicious]

[QUOTE=MRT144;6111605]Well, as a gay bashing christian, obviously nothing. But you know, you're really a poor example of christian living just like Ben.[/
QUOTE]

You're calling ME a bigot?