Poly: Conservative Stronghold?

[Hauldren Collider]

You obviously have an agenda if you deny that Obama is practically a Nazi.

I thought we were saying he was a communist?

For the record, my score:


Lots and lots and lots of strawmen. Also a few eyebrow raisers, like "land shouldn't be bought and sold".

[kentonio]

Bottom line is that the people making this test have an agenda, and that's only one of the reasons the test really sucks.

Only when people like you an Al sit and decide you know better than the people who created it what the questions mean and are intended to convey. We've been using this test for about 5+ years at about yearly intervals, and despite moans about particular questions, it does actually seem to chart quite well peoples changing political stances over time.

Plus it must be true as it accurately portrays Reg and you as nazis and Al as deeply disturbed.

[Hauldren Collider]

kentonio's lost his mind. You really think Gingrich is like Mugabe? Recall that Gingrich was actually the Speaker of the House for a time and I don't seem to recall him pontificating on lining up all the gays in front of the firing squads.

(By the way, we're referring to their charting of politicians, the test itself is skewed on the spectrum but that's besides the point)

[Al B. Sure!]

I challenge kentonio to post answers for a test that could reasonably be Obama's answers and arrive at the chart position that the test-makers posit for Obama. It's not happening unless you select the authoritarian option for the questions I noted; and by doing so, you are claiming Obama is a eugenics-supporting, porn-banning racist.

[kentonio]

kentonio's lost his mind. You really think Gingrich is like Mugabe? Recall that Gingrich was actually the Speaker of the House for a time and I don't seem to recall him pontificating on lining up all the gays in front of the firing squads.

No, he just shutdown the government for attempted political gain and then got busted for 'ethics violations'.

Here's a few reminders of how moderate poor Newt is..

“Give the park police more ammo.” Explaining what to do about the homeless problem a few days after the police shot and killed a homeless person in front of the White House.

When discussing same-sex marriage at Fort Dodge in September, the candidate made it clear that he does not favor it. "I believe that marriage is between a man and woman. It has been for all of recorded history and I think this is a temporary aberration that will dissipate. I think that it just fundamentally goes against everything we know,"

You import commercial quantities of drugs in the United States for the purpose of destroying our children, we will kill you

I read Men Who Hate Women and the Women Who Love Them and I found frightening pieces that related to…my own life.

Oh and just for fun..

“Gingrich primary mission: Advocate of civilization, definer of civilization, teacher of the rules of civilization, leader of the civilizing forces.” Describing himself.

“It doesn’t matter what I do. People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Definitely no hint of the demogogue there..

[regexcellent]

nm i should read posts more carefully instead of on my phone in class

[kentonio]

I challenge kentonio to post answers for a test that could reasonably be Obama's answers and arrive at the chart position that the test-makers posit for Obama. It's not happening unless you select the authoritarian option for the questions I noted; and by doing so, you are claiming Obama is a eugenics-supporting, porn-banning racist.

How would you or I know what Obama's answers to that test would be? If you ignore the rhetoric and just look purely at his actions since becoming president I'd have him down as a social moderate right winger, with authoritarian tendancies. For what it's worth, I think that test doesn't really reflect his social positions adequately, but he's certainly a centre right politician.

[kentonio]

Mugabe is one of the worst dictators the world has ever known.

Don't be ridiculous, he wouldn't even make the top 500.

[regexcellent]

Um. Yes he would?

There aren't 500 dictators who are guilt of genocide; Mugabe slaughtered the Matabeles. Also he completely destroyed the economy of Africa's wealthiest country.

[kentonio]

Um. Yes he would?

There aren't 500 dictators who are guilt of genocide; Mugabe slaughtered the Matabeles. Also he completely destroyed the economy of Africa's wealthiest country.

Incidentally HC was the one who threw in the Gingrich/Mugabe strawman, I only said that the extreme edges of the grid should be dictator levels of dickishness to represent an accurate spread, I actually said that Obama/Romney being near those extremes was ridiculous, and didn't even mention Gingrich, who is an obnoxious, sad little man, but certainly not the new reincarnation of satan.

Re Mugabe though, despite him being an obnoxious, repulsive little bastard, in history terms he wouldn't even come close to most of the Kings, Emperors, Khans and other leaders with dictatorial power who have ruled the worlds countries, not to mention he probably wouldn't even make the top 20 for the last century alone. Hell I'd be surprised if he even made it into Africas top 10 for the twentieth century.

[Al B. Sure!]

Don't be ridiculous, he wouldn't even make the top 500.

Are you kidding me? He's clearly the 471st worst dictator between Esarhaddon and Rafael Trujillo!

[Donegeal]

How did Mugabe destroy South Africa's economy?

[Al B. Sure!]

For what it's worth, I think that test doesn't really reflect his social positions adequately, but he's certainly a centre right politician.

Center right as in the center of the right authoritarian quadrant or the center of the entire graph? If it's the latter, what the hell are you arguing about? You agree that Obama/Romney don't belong in the high authoritarian area and that the test doesn't support their placement there.

[Hauldren Collider]

How did Mugabe destroy South Africa's economy?

Rhodesia was wealthier per capita than south africa, as I recall.

[regexcellent]

Rhodesia was wealthier per capita than south africa, as I recall.

Correct. I will explain Rhodesia/Zimbabwe history to kentonio when I'm not on my phone in Probability.