Apparently pregnancy starts before conception now..

[Dauphin]

Actually that's standard obstetric practice, though there are exceptions.

Was the same for us last year (and was the same on all the American pregnancy websites my wife signed up to)

Ok, so definitely is misplaced haughtiness on the part of kentonio and oerdin.

[Hauldren Collider]

Looks to me like Arizona is catching up in this case, not falling behind.

[DaShi]

Europe is known to be culturally ahead of America. Consider yourself on the FBI terror watch list!

[kentonio]

Ok, so definitely is misplaced haughtiness on the part of kentonio and oerdin.

Not really. Over here abortion is a non issue for all but the a tiny group of hardcore religionists. If they use the same measure here then you're quite right to mock my snark over it, but it doesnt really change the fact that its being used as yet another tool to try and undermine Federal law and reduce American womens legal right to abortion. Alongside the dozens of other measures and bills introduced over the last few years, its hardly like its a stand alone instance.

[DinoDoc]

I like this law better.

Miss. governor signs abortion law

Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant signed into law on Monday a bill that could shut down the only abortion clinic in the state, hailing it as an important step to “ensure that the lives of the born and unborn are protected in Mississippi.”

House Bill 1390, which passed the state Senate earlier this month, requires all physicians at abortion clinics in Mississippi to be board-certified OB-GYN and to have admitting privileges at a local hospital.

Jackson Women’s Health Organization in Jackson, Miss., is the only abortion facility in the state, and its owner recently told POLITICO that two of its three physicians do not have the now-required admitting rights. Diane Derzis had predicted that once signed into law, H.B. 1390 could force her clinic to close.

“I believe that all human life is precious, and as governor, I will work to ensure that the lives of the born and unborn are protected in Mississippi,” Bryant said in a statement after signing the legislation. “This bill requires all physicians associated with an abortion clinic in Mississippi to be board-certified or eligible in obstetrics and gynecology. To further protect patient safety in the event of a complication during the procedure, this bill also requires the physician to have staff and admitting privileges at a local hospital.”

Derzis had accused Republicans of “hiding behind words like ‘safety’ and ‘women’s health’” while attempting to shutter her facility, and she also vowed to sue the state of Mississippi if the doctors at her clinic were unable to obtain admitting privileges. She could not be reached for comment on Monday.

The new law is one of many state measures across the country aimed at scaling back access to abortion, such as a Virginia law signed by Gov. Bob McDonnell in March that requires women to undergo an ultrasound prior to getting an abortion.

Planned Parenthood was quick to condemn the new law. “Make no mistake, this law is based on a political agenda, not medical necessity,” Cecile Richards, the group’s president, said in a statement. “In yet another shortsighted attempt to ban abortion in Mississippi, Governor Bryant and lawmakers are putting their ideology above the health and safety of Mississippi women. This law is bad policy and endangers women’s health.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1sH7iAOVx

[MrFun]

That law has no basis on medical necessity. How can you like that law?

[Elok]

Because it's a fairly clever bit of bureaucratic ninjutsu? I don't know if DD is actually pro-life, but if the choice is between sneaky regulatory hijinks and terrorism (actually voting to meaningfully restrict the procedure being off the table in our country), I'm all for the sneaky regulatory hijinks. I particularly like the ones where they pick some pathetically boring, miniscule details to make a fuss over so the news stories will be too tedious to gin up outrage with, but this works too, and has more plausible deniability.

[Dauphin]

How many Americans partake of abortion tourism, like the Irish often do to the UK?

[Elok]

Beats me. Probably not that many, if you mean the international kind. It'd be cheaper, quicker and easier to travel within the U.S. to a more abortion-friendly state.

[Dauphin]

I was thinking interstate. Not like Mexico is going to help out.

[Elok]

Probably less than you'd expect, because Planned Parenthood et al are putting up a pretty good fight. Last I heard, there was still a clinic open in Nebraska, of all places. Only one, and it wasn't doing so hot, but if it can keep a toehold in Nebraska there's plenty more bureaucratic hammering to do.

EDIT: Hmm, Guttmacher says there are five in NE, or were as of 2008. Maybe I'm thinking of someplace else. Anyway, women often travel a pretty fair distance, especially in the midwest, but if they cross state lines it's probably just because the one just over the border is closer than the one in the capital.

[Hauldren Collider]

Because it's a fairly clever bit of bureaucratic ninjutsu? I don't know if DD is actually pro-life, but if the choice is between sneaky regulatory hijinks and terrorism (actually voting to meaningfully restrict the procedure being off the table in our country), I'm all for the sneaky regulatory hijinks. I particularly like the ones where they pick some pathetically boring, miniscule details to make a fuss over so the news stories will be too tedious to gin up outrage with, but this works too, and has more plausible deniability.

Virginia managed to get a ton closed by forcing abortion clinics to have the same standard of sanitation as a hospital. A brilliant move. "Don't you want abortions to be safe?"

[Elok]

(Needlessly) safe, (technically) legal and (extremely) rare

[giblets]

It's like when black people in the South technically had the legal right to vote, but not really.