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  • #46
    Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
    What do you think? What he tweeted was clearly offensive and disgusting, but is it worth jailing? If not, what response is appropriate?
    I know that people aren't being jailed, but isn't FCC an abomination that violates the american constitution ?
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17576745

      The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.


      Scary.
      This is similar to proposed legislation in Canada. The big difference is, our government (which enjoys wedge issues), named the act Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act, and claimed anyone against having warrentless searches "...can either stand with us or with the child pornographers". The bill includes no mention of children or predators except in the short title of it, but does allow for government authorized fishing.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
        I know that people aren't being jailed, but isn't FCC an abomination that violates the american constitution ?
        Err, exactly how does the FCC's mere existence violate the Constitution?
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
          Err, exactly how does the FCC's mere existence violate the Constitution?
          Maybe because it violate free speech ?
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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          • #50
            No. The mere existence of the FCC does not violate free speech. In fact, in some cases the FCC's existence facilitates free speech. Now, the FCC does engage in censorship, and an argument can be made that some of that censorship violates the First Amendment, but the FCC itself is not a violation of the Constitution.
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            • #51
              I don't have any problem with FCC administering the network etc, but they shouldn't have a say on content. That is certainly an violation of the constitution.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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              • #52
                "beeping" out "bad" words are actually the most stupid thing that ever have hit america.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                  I don't have any problem with FCC administering the network etc, but they shouldn't have a say on content. That is certainly an violation of the constitution.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    QFT
                    Even if it's showing nipples at a football game ?
                    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                      "beeping" out "bad" words are actually the most stupid thing that ever have hit america.
                      This may be a bit of an overstatement, but I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment. As I've said elsewhere, I pretty much only agree with limitations on free speech when there is imminent lawless action.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                        Even if it's showing nipples at a football game ?
                        Yes
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
                          USA
                          I am very critical of the US when it deserves it but more than willing to say when you get it right (or more right than us as the case may be).

                          Now your Court just has to figure out corporations and political action groups aren't people...
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
                            This is similar to proposed legislation in Canada. The big difference is, our government (which enjoys wedge issues), named the act Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act, and claimed anyone against having warrentless searches "...can either stand with us or with the child pornographers". The bill includes no mention of children or predators except in the short title of it, but does allow for government authorized fishing.

                            Vic Toews stood with the child pornographers.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
                              I'm not happy if hate crime is an offence all by itself. It should be an aggravating circumstance. I'm intrigued to read that he was done for racially aggravated incitment to violence. Wonder what he said to incite violence.

                              Public Order offences

                              fear or provocation of violence (Section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986)
                              intentional harassment, alarm or distress (Section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986)
                              harassment, alarm or distress (Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986)



                              Interesting though, compare it the John Terry case and you wonder why he's got preferential treatment. Oh, right......
                              It seriously scares me that laws that were defined for much more serious issues (such as radical muslim clerics calling for war on the infidel which, let's be honest, this is why the racial incitement to violence laws come from). This is some little kn*bhead who said some sh*t on the internet like a million idiots before him. I find this a very, very slippery slope to go down in terms of this prosecution. I mean, by the sounds of it, a visit from the police would've been enough to sort this one out, not a custodial sentence.

                              I worry where our country is going. In theory some flippant comment that one of us British posters make on here could be construed in the same way. From my understanding there was no persistent harrassment - it was a one-off act of stupidity. And gross stupidity at that. But since when was that a crime? Flimsy laws that were meant to deal with much more significant issues being used for this crap. I find it alarming.
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                              • #60
                                Even a visit from the police is way to much for my liking. Unless he's inciting violence, just call him a **** en masse and ignore him in future.

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