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    Consider this an omnibus thread, if you will. We've had a number of threads that touch on it, but I think a dedicated thread might serve better. I will present some examples, and would like to get your reactions vis a vis free speech issues.

    First up:

    Off to jail in cuffs, student who tweeted abuse about heart failure footballer Fabrice MuambaSwansea University student pleaded guilty to a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars

    21-year-old's initial message on Twitter was posted just moments after Muamba had collapsed

    Biology undergraduate admitted to police he had sent the tweets after getting drunk watching Wales v France in the Six Nations rugby match
    Bolton and Tottenham have replayed the FA Cup match that was called off when Muamba's heart stopped

    By Luke Salkeld
    PUBLISHED: 05:17 EST, 27 March 2012 | UPDATED: 08:19 EST, 29 March 2012
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    A student who posted a series of racist comments on Twitter following footballer Fabrice Muamba’s cardiac arrest has begun a prison sentence of 56 days.

    Liam Stacey, 21, caused widespread revulsion by reacting to Muamba’s mid-game collapse by writing: ‘LOL [laughing out loud], **** Muamba. He’s dead!!! #haha.’ He responded to criticism of that message with vile racist tweets.
    The messages were forwarded to the police by several members of the social network, including former England striker Stan Collymore, himself a victim of abuse on Twitter.

    Stacey initially claimed his account had been accessed by somebody else, but later pleaded guilty to racially aggravated harassment. He was sent to prison to ‘reflect the public outrage’ at his comments.

    As he spent his first night behind bars, the two teams most shaken by Muamba's collapse replayed the fixture that was called off when the midfielder came close to death.

    Tottenham Hotspur and Bolton Wanderers met again at White Hart Lane, with the home team cruising to a 3-1 victory. It means Muamba's club are now out of the FA Cup, but this hardly seemed to matter to the fans and players treating the match as a chance to pay tribute to him.

    At the ground where the 23-year-old's heart stopped, his teammate Sam Ricketts was seen to wipe a tear from his eye before kick-off. It was a difficult return for the entire Bolton squad, and manager Owen Coyle commended them for their bravery.

    Players from both sides wore T-shirts bearing messages of thanks to those who supported Muamba, while the whole of the Tottenham stadium erupted in applause for him.

    Stacey, meanwhile, faces expulsion from Swansea University. The third-year biology student had hoped to become a forensic scientist. Describing his tweets, prosecutor Louise Barron told the court: ‘The offence is clearly racially aggravated.

    ‘There was sustained and gratuitous racism. These were unprovoked comments and persistent abuse. The recipients were disgusted.’

    Jailing the student at Swansea Magistrates’ Court, District Judge John Charles said: ‘Not just the footballer’s family, not just the footballing world, but the whole world were literally praying for Muamba’s life. Your comments aggravated this situation.

    ‘I have no choice but to impose an immediate custodial sentence to reflect the public outrage at what you have done.’

    Stacey made his comments about the Bolton Wanderers midfielder while celebrating the Welsh rugby team’s Six Nations grand slam victory earlier this month. The judge added: ‘You committed this offence while you were drunk and it is clear you immediately regretted it. But you must learn how to handle your alcohol better.’

    Stacey, from Pontypridd, South Wales, told police following his arrest at his student home in Swansea: ‘I was at the bar when I heard what had happened to Muamba. 'I don’t know why I posted [the comments]. I’m not racist and some of my friends are from different cultural backgrounds.’

    He later sent a text message to a friend saying: ‘I said something about Muamba that I shouldn’t have and tweeted back to some people who abused me.

    'Getting police on me now which isn’t good at all.’

    Another read: ‘Been bawling my eyes out on the phone to my mother for the last hour, really can’t be dealing with this.’

    Gareth Jones, defending, said Stacey ‘does not bear [Muamba] any grudge and is glad he is making a good recovery’. He continued: ‘My client simply lost his head and posted these disgusting comments to the bitter shame of himself and his parents. For a moment of madness, his career has now gone.’

    Stacey’s father Neale, 49, and mother Hayley, 46, were visibly shocked when the details of his comments were read aloud yesterday.

    Jim Brisbane, chief crown prosecutor for CPS Cymru-Wales, said: ‘Racist language is inappropriate in any setting and through any media. 'We hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law.’

    Muamba is said to be continuing to make good progress at the London Chest Hospital, where he was visited by his Bolton teammates ahead of their rescheduled match against Tottenham. The game was abandoned on March 17 following Muamba’s collapse.
    Liam Stacey, 21, from Pontypridd, south Wales, admitted making a series of vile comments on Twitter and was sent to prison for 56 days.


    What do you think? What he tweeted was clearly offensive and disgusting, but is it worth jailing? If not, what response is appropriate?
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  • #2
    Didn't we already get our dailymail post of the day?
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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    • #3
      1.) Welcome to the New World Order...Political Correctness > Free Speech


      2.) People are no longer responsible for their actions...It is always someone else's fault that "made them do it"
      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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      • #4
        he's not nice

        but that aint a crime

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        • #5
          The man is a complete and utter douchebag, and I would sooner spit on him than make any sort of kind statement about him. But what he did should never, ever, ever be a crime.
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          • #6
            The crime was he called him a 'wog', which in my lexicon describes a person of middle eastern descent.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Uncle Sparky View Post
              The crime was he called him a 'wog', which in my lexicon describes a person of middle eastern descent.
              I think it all depends on the context. You could use wog to as part of an insult against a coloured person if you wanted to and the intent would be clear.

              However I grew up calling a 'ghetto blaster' a 'wog box', and my parents arent exactly card carrying BNP members
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              • #8
                Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                1.) Welcome to the New World Order...Political Correctness > Free Speech


                2.) People are no longer responsible for their actions...It is always someone else's fault that "made them do it"
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                • #9
                  I would argue that offensive speech which upsets people is the only type of speech which needs protecting. Popular speech surely does not need protection because it is popular so what type of speech does need protection? Unpopular speech, that's what.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                    I would argue that offensive speech which upsets people is the only type of speech which needs protecting. Popular speech surely does not need protection because it is popular so what type of speech does need protection? Unpopular speech, that's what.
                    SCOTUS


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                    • #11
                      It's a little difficult, in a land of free speech, to legislate decency.
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                      • #12
                        Albie mode:



                        ACK!
                        Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                        • #13
                          This was a step too far and I find the idea of jailing people for stupid internet comments to be ridiculous. That said I still prefer our freedom of speech laws to Americas. Wingnuts picketing funerals disgusts me as much if not more than this does.

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                          • #14
                            this is ridiculous and the kind of thing that our justice system shouldn't concern itself with.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                              Wingnuts picketing funerals disgusts me...
                              It disgusts me, too; I still think they should be free to do it.
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