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**kentonio** · March 2, 2012, 19:16

Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post

Kentonio, the fact of the matter is that it's a guaranteed right in the constitution. So the question is, are we willing to ignore parts of the constitution we find currently inconvenient, or do we go about things the proper way and attempt to amend it?

Except that you can't amend it, because any attempt to even clarify it leads to the NRA screaming from the rooftops about how the evil liberals want everyone to be herded into concentration camps by King George.

**The Mad Monk** · March 2, 2012, 19:17

How is that different from any other amendment?

**kentonio** · March 2, 2012, 19:19

Fair point.

**Hauldren Collider** · March 2, 2012, 19:21

Originally posted by kentonio View Post

Except that you can't amend it, because any attempt to even clarify it leads to the NRA screaming from the rooftops about how the evil liberals want everyone to be herded into concentration camps by King George.

Sounds like you just don't have enough popular support then. Which is the entire point of the constitution--you can't just remove things on a whim.

**Main_Brain** · March 2, 2012, 21:03

Biathlete? No Wonder the Police are suspicious, everyone knows all Serious Biathletes Come from Scandinavian Countries or Russia.

It a Sport I would put more in Montana, not a typical City Hobby no?

**SlowwHand** · March 3, 2012, 01:06

Originally posted by gribbler View Post

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/20...0-year-decline

Does this mean America has less casual gun owners who like to go hunting, but more gun nuts who are prepared for peak oil and the collapse of civilization?

What it means, in Texas, is that buyers are buying less at retail outlets. That's all it means. Well, that and it's working.

**regexcellent** · March 3, 2012, 01:09

New York has fascist gun laws

**regexcellent** · March 3, 2012, 01:14

Relevant:

Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/Self-Reported-Gun-Ownership-Highest-1993.aspx

Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993.

Record-Low 26% in U.S. Favor Handgun Ban

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150341/Record-Low-Favor-Handgun-Ban.aspx

A record-low 26% of Americans favor a ban on handguns in the U.S. Also, for the first time, Americans are more likely to oppose (53%) than favor (43%) a ban on assault rifles. More broadly, Americans' support for stricter handgun laws and passage of new gun laws is the lowest Gallup has measured.

In U.S., Record-Low Support for Stricter Gun Laws

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123596/In-U.S.-Record-Low-Support-Stricter-Gun-Laws.aspx

Gallup finds 44% of Americans in favor of stricter laws on the sale of firearms, the lowest percentage measured since the question was first asked in 1990. At the same time, 28% favor a ban on the possession of handguns, also a new low for a question dating back to 1959.

In U.S., Continuing Record-Low Support for Stricter Gun Control

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144887/Continuing-Record-Low-Support-Stricter-Gun-Control.aspx

For the second year in a row, a record-low 44% of Americans say laws governing the sale of firearms should be made more strict, while 42% say gun laws should be kept as they are now. Twelve percent say gun laws should be made less strict.

Americans by Slight Margin Say Gun in the Home Makes It Safer

http://www.gallup.com/poll/25090/Americans-Slight-Margin-Say-Gun-Home-Makes-Safer.aspx

Americans are now slightly more likely to believe that having a gun in the home makes it a safer rather than more dangerous place to be -- a significant change in sentiment from six years ago. A majority of Americans say laws covering the sale of firearms should be more strict, but this includes a sizable group that wants existing laws better enforced rather than new laws passed. About 4 out of 10 Americans have a gun in the home.

Gallup Review: Public Opinion Context of Tucson Shootings

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145526/Gallup-Review-Public-Opinion-Context-Tucson-Shootings.aspx

Gun control laws, the current political climate in the country, and reports that the accused shooter was a drug user have all become a part of the discussion as the nation reacts to the deadly shootings in Tucson, Ariz. This article reviews the latest Gallup data on these issues.

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http://www.gallup.com/video/150212/Americans-Report-Gun-Home.aspx

The upshot is gun control is a massively vote-losing issue and the Democrats have pretty much abandoned it (except in certain states, like New York, Hawaii, New Jersey, California, and Illinois).

Legislation loosening gun laws is a vote-winner, however, and is passing all over the place (see shall issue laws).

**SlowwHand** · March 3, 2012, 01:19

Texas has Concealed Carry licenses and may very soon offer Open Carry permits. Personally, i think concealed carry is better. They never know.

**kentonio** · March 3, 2012, 07:56

If you need your citizens to carry concealed weapons to remain safe, then your society is broken.

**The Mad Monk** · March 3, 2012, 10:51

If your society jails homeowners for shooting home invaders, then your society is broken.

**kentonio** · March 3, 2012, 11:11

We're now allowed to kill/main intruders again.

**The Mad Monk** · March 3, 2012, 11:21

**Jon Miller** · March 3, 2012, 11:54

Originally posted by kentonio View Post

If you need your citizens to carry concealed weapons to remain safe, then your society is broken.

Maybe, but what about carrying openly as an accessory?

JM

**Wezil** · March 3, 2012, 11:56

Accessory to what?

Is it a fashion statement?

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