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  • Originally posted by Felch View Post
    We're saying that the truth is knowable, and the best method we've got for knowing the truth is science. Anybody who goes for sensational journalism or gut instincts over rational experimentation and observation deserves to be mocked. The problem with this world is people abandoning their capacity for reason, and you are part of the problem.
    The world is not a place waiting to inform you.

    There is strong evidence that the amount and combination of thousands of man-made chemicals are negatively affecting our health, something that has only been compensated for with skyrocketing healthcare expenses.

    There is little evidence pointing out to specific culprits, however, because:

    1) The culprit could be any combination of chemicals.
    2) Research takes money, and people with money have little interest in funding research that goes against their interests.
    3) Cancer develops over very long spawns of time (easily 20 years or more) which makes it difficult to compare mice with human beings.
    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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    • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
      The world is not a place waiting to inform you.

      There is strong evidence that the amount and combination of thousands of man-made chemicals are negatively affecting our health, something that has only been compensated for with skyrocketing healthcare expenses.
      Show me the evidence. Here's what I just found on NIH's website, all about how organic food isn't special after all.
      John Brown did nothing wrong.

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      • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
        I've said this before, Oncle Boris, but you're astoundingly bad at logic for someone who claims to be a philosopher.
        Here are some criteria you could use:

        1. The chemical has not been around long enough that natural selection has shaped our organism's integration with it.
        2. The chemical would not exist were it not of human intervention.
        3. The chemical would not be present in such a quantity, were it not of human intervention.
        3. The combination of chemicals we are exposed to could hardly happen naturally, were it not of human intervention.
        5. EXCEPTION: cooked food that does not fall for criteria (1) and processes relying on bacteria that have been around for a long time (cheese, alcohol).

        You are terrible at using logic, because you fall for the prejudice that everything has to be logical. The vast majority of tasks accomplished by human beings are done better when relying on instincts.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • Think of all the tasks you successfully accomplished today.

          How many of them could be broken down in statements of formal logic?

          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
            You are terrible at using logic, because you fall for the prejudice that everything has to be logical. The vast majority of tasks accomplished by human beings are done better when relying on instincts.
            It generally helps to use logic when debating something.

            Poly poster: The evidence points to X
            Oncle Boris: Well, my instincts point to Y, and you are stupid if your instincts are not the same as mine
            Poly poster: I am slain
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            • What's with the exception? Acrylamide meets the first four conditions, and then there's this arbitrary exception. Why is cooking food excluded?
              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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              • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                It generally helps to use logic when debating something.

                Poly poster: The evidence points to X
                Oncle Boris: Well, my instincts point to Y, and you are stupid if your instincts are not the same as mine
                Poly poster: I am slain
                No you twit.

                Everyone understands very instinctively the difference between "natural" and "non-natural" food.

                Just like everyone understands very instinctively why it's wrong to kill or steal, even though proving it through a formally valid deductive system is beyond the reach of >99% of human beings.

                Now that I have provided a list of rapid suggestions, I expect everyone to chomp at it for contradicting instances, until I am led to admit, admit what?

                That I'm wrong being a vegetarian avoiding industrial food, focusing on fresh fruit and vegetables, beans, tofu, and organic dairy products?

                Feel free to think whatever you want about my diet, enjoy your McNuggets.
                In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                  That I'm wrong being a vegetarian avoiding industrial food, focusing on fresh fruit and vegetables, beans, tofu, and organic dairy products?

                  Feel free to think whatever you want about my diet, enjoy your McNuggets.
                  "See if I care if you criticize my diet! Now I shall proceed to criticize your diet relying solely on my 'instincts.'"

                  I am shocked that you have never convinced anybody of anything.
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                  • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                    What's with the exception? Acrylamide meets the first four conditions, and then there's this arbitrary exception. Why is cooking food excluded?
                    AFAIK, there is no significant difference between natural "crude" diets and and natural diets involving cooking, though I've heard (not myself read the research) that there could be some benefits.
                    In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                    • Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                      "See if I care if you criticize my diet! Now I shall proceed to criticize your diet relying solely on my 'instincts.'"

                      I am shocked that you have never convinced anybody of anything.
                      I have provided a list of criteria, you walking abortion.
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                        The vast majority of tasks accomplished by human beings are done better when relying on instincts.
                        Did your instincts tell you that, or logic?
                        Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                        "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                        • Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                          Did your instincts tell you that, or logic?
                          Only a porcine vagina would dare to question Oncle Boris

                          Alternatives:
                          Only a stunted spermatozoa would dare to question Oncle Boris
                          Only a hamfisted mountebank would dare to question Oncle Boris
                          Only a supercilious buttplug would dare to question Oncle Boris
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                          • Oncle Boris, my instincts tell me that light can't possibly behave as both a particle and a wave. Should I stop using integrated circuits?
                            Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
                            "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                            • Idiot, you're allowed to use logic when Oncle Boris says that you're allowed to use logic He presumably uses a computer, therefore it's okay to use logic when making computers
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                              • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                                Here are some criteria you could use:

                                1. The chemical has not been around long enough that natural selection has shaped our organism's integration with it.
                                2. The chemical would not exist were it not of human intervention.
                                3. The chemical would not be present in such a quantity, were it not of human intervention.
                                3. The combination of chemicals we are exposed to could hardly happen naturally, were it not of human intervention.
                                5. EXCEPTION: cooked food that does not fall for criteria (1) and processes relying on bacteria that have been around for a long time (cheese, alcohol).

                                You are terrible at using logic, because you fall for the prejudice that everything has to be logical. The vast majority of tasks accomplished by human beings are done better when relying on instincts.
                                Why the exception?
                                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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