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Panetta: Israel could attack Iran as early as April
classical answer: number of civilians killed by IDF vs number of civilians killed by Iran military ?
What do numbers have to do with this topic?
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They have to do with the simplistic notion that it's all about the number of people killed and not why they died that so many European useful idiots for Hamas hold dear.
Since you agree that the numbers argument is specious, why attempt to engage on those terms?
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Ahh, I was just wondering who was going to post this - this case is actually a great litmus test if you are a rational outsider, or have feelings involved in your opinion in the conflict. The Iranian scientist was a military target, as he was directly employed by the Iranian MIC. The Israeli ambassador is a diplomatic figure.
Good job.
AZ, when is it okay to target even uniformed military without a formal declaration of hostilities?
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No. The Israeli government occaisonally kills civilians by accident while trying to protect its people from shelling and terrorist attacks whereas Iran terrorizes its own people and funds terrorist proxies throughout the region which deliberately target civilians. It's not the same.
"occassionbally kills by accident..."
Man, you are going out of your way to provide excuses aren't you? Firing a rocket into a densely populated area is the same for both sides of the israeli-palestinian conflict. You can't claim that collateral damage just happens.
AZ, when is it okay to target even uniformed military without a formal declaration of hostilities?
Within the context of Iran, is it your contention that no expression of hostilities has been made?
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They have to do with the simplistic notion that it's all about the number of people killed and not why they died that so many European useful idiots for Hamas hold dear.
My point: israel has a track record of shooting at civilians so they can't claim moral superiority
Your counterargument: iran does it too
My conclusion: it is ok to shoot civilians as long as israel does it. It seems the only useful idiots around here are you and DD. But you are in good company. (and since history shows you don't understand sarcasm very well, that was an example of it).
First of all, there is no moral equivalence between Israel and Iran whatsoever.
wow. what a convincing argument.
Secondly, Israel (presumably, it could just be MeK) targets people who are involved in a program that poses a serious threat to the continued existence of Israel and the lives of all of its citizens. Killing diplomats is not the same.
this is very weak. as we discussed in another thread, iran getting nuclear weapons is not a threat to the existence of israel as:
a) israel has its own nuclear weapons, and;
b) MAD
killing scientists is terrorism and murder. killing diplomats is terrorism and murder as well.
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Ahh, I was just wondering who was going to post this - this case is actually a great litmus test if you are a rational outsider, or have feelings involved in your opinion in the conflict. The Iranian scientist was a military target, as he was directly employed by the Iranian MIC. The Israeli ambassador is a diplomatic figure.
Good job.
ah the old, if you have a have view which isn't like mine, you're not rational. that one never wears out.
and the last scientist killed wasn't a member of the military, according to his wiki. he was a civilian, like the israeli ambassador.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
and of course several other civilian scientists have been assassinated by israel in the recent past. darioush rezaeinejad, majid shahriari et al. but murdering civilians is fine according to az, as long as israel does it, they are 'military targets'.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
Within the context of Iran, is it your contention that no expression of hostilities has been made?
Yes. A state of war does not exist between Iran and Israel as far as I know. There have been no formal declarations nor any non-clandestine military operations.
Given that, the killing of even uniformed military, let alone scientists working for the military, on both sides would be a criminal act.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
A "declaration of war" isn't really what you said. If there had been, this whole discussion would be moot and the topic entirely different.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
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