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  • #46
    Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
    3 times the federal regulations? Care to name them? What do they pertain to? Throwing out " federal regulations" doesn't mean they pertain to business hiring practices or affect integral business practices. Also, i find you credulously believing CEOs about why they aren't hiring to be kind of quaint.

    Or are you referring to the increased IP protection and rent seeking scheme that makes higher productivity and investment foolish, when you can just fight for competitive advantage in the legal markets.

    And the most frightening thing is believing Geithner is a socialist.
    The Republican Reality Distortion Field is somewhat akin to Apple's. The worst President ever stuff is quite funny, however. It likely will be fun to hear the bleating when "Worst President Ever" gets re-elected.

    As for trusting CEOs on everything:

    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #47
      looks like a history of the USA bleeding jobs

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      • #48
        It's almost no different than pushing for lower income and capital gains taxes because of some belief that the status quo hurts businesses. As if we're living in the most taxed period in the history of our country.
        "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
          looks like a history of the USA bleeding jobs
          And yet, still enjoy periods of low unemployment most of the time.
          "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
          'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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          • #50
            Imran...it is not trusting CEO's for anything. The fact is that corporations are sitting on huge amounts of money and wanting to expand, but the stifling regulatory environment is, in their opinion, not good for hiring. The fact is, most of them are NOT hiring. The small gains in employment we have seen are from small business and the performance there is way below historic averages.

            MRT, Let me repeat that I saw a report on CNN. May I suggest you contact them for a list of regulations? I will give you one that I am pretty familiar with...Dodd-Frank. I can tell you for a fact that it has decreased mortgage loan availability, led to job losses in the mortgage industry, and increased cost for nearly every borrower out there. Its impact would be devastating if it were not for the historic low rates that are being artificially created by the Fed printing money.

            Geithner is a socialist. He is just an internationalist socialist...which is different from the run of the mill socialist that most people think of. His ideas on government interference and international redistribution of wealth are ridiculous. It is no wonder that there was some talk of a congressional vote of "no confidence" late last summer. If you will look closely, you will see his hand in nearly every government bailout as well.

            Lastly, taxes are not the real issue in my opinion. I agree with folks that say that the income gap between the rich and poor is to high. My solution would be ways to encourage income growth in lower and middle class income and not to tax the rich more, but there is no doubt that there is a problem there.
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #51
              Claims that people in the administration are socialists or Marxists just make me roll my eyes.
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                Claims that people in the administration are socialists or Marxists just make me roll my eyes.
                I'm not just saying that because it is popular among many of the ignorant conservatives out there. Please go read some of the stuff he wrote when he ran the NY Fed and then show me where I am wrong. Then I will roll my eyes at myself.
                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                  Obama is by far worse than any of them when it comes to the economy. You really need look no further than just listening to CEO after CEO stating to whoever will listen that they just can't justify hiring in the current regulatory environment. I was watching CNN (yep...CNN) about a month ago and they reported a startling fact: Since Obama came into office there are THREE Times the federal regulations than ever existed before. This is a stifling blow to any economic recovery. Obama's economic policies have nothing to do with real world solutions...he lives in a dream world of what he and his very socialistic economic advisors (Have you READ some of their stuff? It is actually incredibly frightening) believe will be good for us. That is NOT what this country's economic values are based on.

                  Obama...worst President Ever...Period.

                  To say anything else is what is actually retarded.
                  Three times the federal regulations? You mean for every regulation that existed before Obama, Obama literally created two more? Where can I find information on the number of federal regulations over time?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                    Three times the federal regulations? You mean for every regulation that existed before Obama, Obama literally created two more? Where can I find information on the number of federal regulations over time?


                    Red Tape Rising: Obama’s Torrent of New Regulation

                    Given the tone of the post, I imagine whatever evidence provided is going to be along those lines.
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                    • #55
                      I found this....

                      According to the Office of the Federal Register, in 1998, the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), the official listing of all regulations in effect, contained a total of 134,723 pages in 201 volumes that claimed 19 feet of shelf space. In 1970, the CFR totaled only 54,834 pages
                      but I am having difficulty finding something current. However, if CNN said it, then there must be some data available out there somewhere. I will keep hunting...you have my own curiosity up now.
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #56
                        Pages, of course, don't have an exact correlation to the number of regulations. Some of the regulations today are much more complex due to having to deal with international ramifications and new technologies, and trying to find all loopholes and address them.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                          Imran...it is not trusting CEO's for anything. The fact is that corporations are sitting on huge amounts of money and wanting to expand, but the stifling regulatory environment is, in their opinion, not good for hiring. The fact is, most of them are NOT hiring. The small gains in employment we have seen are from small business and the performance there is way below historic averages.
                          When there are uncertain times (especially when the branches of the US government can't get along on just about anything leading to credit scares), companies tend to sit money. However, I'm not trusting CEOs on "too much regulation" because that's what they always say (see comic above).

                          Geithner is a socialist. He is just an internationalist socialist...which is different from the run of the mill socialist that most people think of. His ideas on government interference and international redistribution of wealth are ridiculous. It is no wonder that there was some talk of a congressional vote of "no confidence" late last summer. If you will look closely, you will see his hand in nearly every government bailout as well.
                          The same Geithner who has been criticized from the left (and not even as far as the socialist left) for focusing too much on the deficit and not enough on jobs and therefore making the stimulus smaller than it should have been?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                            Pages, of course, don't have an exact correlation to the number of regulations. Some of the regulations today are much more complex due to having to deal with international ramifications and new technologies, and trying to find all loopholes and address them.
                            Lol. Its not as if the more complex the regulation the higher the costs to determine compliance.
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post


                              The same Geithner who has been criticized from the left (and not even as far as the socialist left) for focusing too much on the deficit and not enough on jobs and therefore making the stimulus smaller than it should have been?
                              For the most part that was Obamas entire economic dream team. In particular Summer was on record as saying there was no way in hell they could spend out more than 800 billion in two yrs. Any requests beyond that was pipe dream thinking.
                              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
                                Exactly.

                                The problem is tribalism. I don't think the hatred toward Obama is any different from the hatred for Bush. But Democrats hated Bush because he was Evangelical and Southern, and now Republicans hate Obama because he is Black and foreign-ish. In both cases people see a president who is different from them. An outsider. A scary person from the other tribe who they can't trust.

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