If we legislate laws in U.S. based on the Bible . . .

[molly bloom]

I hope "anti-faith bigot" sticks. Good call.

Ha ha ha ha.... With your sanctified seal of approval it's bound to succeed.

[Zevico]

Religious disputations: what on earth is the point?

[molly bloom]

To the extent where you attempt to whitewash certain individuals' faith (in whichever religious tradition) as being the primary motivator for positive social change.

I'm not whitewashing it at all. I haven't denied anywhere that King's particular form of Christian belief was a motivator- I've simply read his autobiography and a great many other books on the period and feel that King's indebtedness to Socialism and non-Christian social activism is easily (and readily) downplayed. Rather like the various contributions of Jews, atheists, homosexuals and Roman Catholics to the civil rights' movement.

It is really easy to blame faith for negative social change

Given the positions of the Dutch Reformed Church in apartheid South Africa, fundamentalists in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, various Protestant denominations in the United States and the voting records of Iran and the Vatican City State in the U.N. , yes, it is:

The Pope’s comments are surprising because he caused controversy last year by suggesting that condom use could actually worsen the problem of Aids in Africa.

He described the epidemic in the continent as “a tragedy that cannot be overcome by money alone, that cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems”.

The Vatican amended an official version of the remarks to indicate that he said merely that condoms “risk” aggravating the problem.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/8148944/The-Pope-drops-Catholic-ban-on-condoms-in-historic-shift.html

... but for whatever reason, it (faith) can't be the catalyst for positive change

Where have I said that ? I haven't as far as I know.

That's where the anti-faith bigotry comes into play.

So, in other words, you can't directly quote me on my supposed denigration of King or my supposed anti-faith bigotry- you're simply making an inference.

[molly bloom]

MB: I don't torture people. That proves that I'm not a bigot.

Nice.

I haven't said anything of the sort.

This is remarkably stupid and incoherent even for you. Whatever happened to your ignoring my posts by the way ?

How quickly some people break their vows...

[Imran Siddiqui]

So, in other words, you can't directly quote me on my supposed denigration of King or my supposed anti-faith bigotry- you're simply making an inference.

Basically, stop being deliberately obtuse and own up to the quite obvious implication of your statement. You are starting to remind me more and more of Ben.

[Wezil]

Are you just discovering that now?!

[Wezil]

Speaking of Ben...

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/show...Hello-everyone!

[giblets]

I hope he stays there.

[Elok]

Awesomeness. I wonder if they'll get sick of him there, too? And, if so, how long will it take?

[Wezil]

Wait until he discovers WPC considers argument and debate (i.e. disagreeing with someone) to be antisocial posting.

[Elok]

That will not stop his awesome powers of passive aggression. He will find ways to agree with someone entirely while still implying that s/he is worse than Hitler.

[Wezil]

There's an especially sensitive Mormon there. I hope they go head to head.

[Elok]

A Mormon? That might be fun, getting to see BK out-polited in a vicious theological debate.

[molly bloom]

Basically, stop being deliberately obtuse and own up to the quite obvious implication of your statement. You are starting to remind me more and more of Ben.

Oddly enough I was thinking the same of you- someone who without any expert knowledge of the diseases of the ear (or any other advanced medical knowledge for that matter) readily identified a friend's improvement in hearing to a miracle. I understand that as a recent convert to a branch of Christianity you'd be enthusiastic, but really...

You have gone from making a really quite unpleasant comparison between my position on Martin Luther King and his motivation for taking part in the civil rights' struggle and the use of faith in politics to that of the fictitious legal defence of people who kill or injure gay men, and are now accusing me of bigotry- and yet you are still incapable of producing a single line or phrase of mine to support this accusation.

Inference and insinuation still aren't evidence, however much you might wish they were.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Are you just discovering that now?!

Apparently so. I guess I was just late to the game.