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Originally posted by MRT144
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Again, as much as I am not an OBAMA fan, what's done in public and what's done behind closed doors could be two entirely different things.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Why not ask Russia or Iran?Originally posted by MRT144 View PostI make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Iran obviously doesn't think so otherwise they wouldn't be so antagonistic towards the US.Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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Not sure if serious.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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Hey! HEY! Just because we experimented with syphilis on black people does not make us European Monsters.Originally posted by Guynemer View Post"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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Not entirely serious. I do contend that the Europeans have done far worse stuff, though.Originally posted by Guynemer View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Inarguably yes, they have done worse stuff. Is it possible they learned something along the way and maybe have a better insight into not how to do things? Countries are not tigers - they can change their stripes.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post"I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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Germany and Japan are strong allies of the United States.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostClick here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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If changing their stripes involves blaming the good guys for everything because of some historical thing, then that's not stripes you want to change. My point is that Europe has a larger history of really horrible atrocities. I would guess that this is related to their tendency to Blame Ourselves First, even when doing so is laughably ridiculous.Originally posted by MRT144 View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Only after we bombed them to oblivion and back. Is that what it would take to get Iran to change? Now I see why you think we should start full scale war! I think maybe there's something to that!Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
You're a smart guy, Lori.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Hmm, the Europeans have a larger history for everything compared to the US. What's your point?It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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They have more bull**** reasons to engage in cultural guilt.Originally posted by rah View PostIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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My argument is that half measures rarely work. We can turn into total pacifists ourselves, withdraw from international politics, and send trucks full of food to the rest of the world; or we can annihilate our enemies and brainwash them into being our friends. But our current foreign policy of doing terrible things in secret while claiming the moral high ground in public is a stupid half measure doomed to failure.Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostClick here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La RochefoucauldComment
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Part of your problem is that you view countries actions and motivations through a moral lens. The US isn't a good guy. Do good guys napalm civilians?Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
Maybe if you weren't a case study in self righteous jingoism, you'd have a different perspective."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburgerComment
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What other lens should I look at them through? I see a country here that is a brutal dictatorship, with obscene human rights abuses and megalomaniacal aims, trying to build nukes after having stated that Israel should be wiped off the map. They fundamentally oppose modern countries with social and political freedom for the simple reason that they have such freedoms--they consider women's rights an abomination and have demanded the death of foreign authors that they disagree with (such as Salman Rushdie). There's no subtlety here about good guys and bad guys. Iran getting nukes would simply be a very bad thing, and if the price of preventing something that bad is an Iranian scientist has to die, so be it.Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
This isn't jingoism. This is an unambiguous case of good versus bad. It doesn't matter if the US has done bad things, it doesn't even matter that Iran has done bad things. Iran IS doing bad things and WANTS to do bad things with weapons it is trying to acquire, and we are preventing bad things by preventing them from getting nukes. This is not a moral quandary.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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