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  • Originally posted by DaShi View Post
    Good idea. They don't want the 'wrong' candidate getting the nomination.
    Funny you put it that way, so did the Donald.

    Trump ‘probably will run’ if Republicans pick ‘wrong’ candidate

    So yes, the establishment already has their election Trump card - just in case their voted-rigging, media-smearing, convention brokering scams manage to fail at misinforming and misrepresenting the American people yet again.

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    • Given Paul's relentless pandering to the conspiracy theorist community over the years, it comes as no surprise to see conspiracy theories already springing up here.

      My next crisp £10 note is wagered on the following- when he loses, Paul's supporters will immediately start screeching about conspiracies rather than accept the fact that extremists tend to struggle in big elections.
      The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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      • Nah, he's been losing for ages, they all know it's because the sheep won't accept his ideas.

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        • Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
          Given Paul's relentless pandering to the conspiracy theorist community over the years, it comes as no surprise to see conspiracy theories already springing up here.

          My next crisp £10 note is wagered on the following- when he loses, Paul's supporters will immediately start screeching about conspiracies rather than accept the fact that extremists tend to struggle in big elections.
          Which is why they're going to urge him to run as an independent. With luck he'll attract enough would be Romney voters to not only kill Romney's campaign but tip a few down ballot races as well.
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          • Isn't HL a truther anyway? Who's surprised that a truther supports RP?
            "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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            • I don't think any of us really are surprised.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                Given Paul's relentless pandering to the conspiracy theorist community over the years, it comes as no surprise to see conspiracy theories already springing up here.

                My next crisp £10 note is wagered on the following- when he loses, Paul's supporters will immediately start screeching about conspiracies rather than accept the fact that extremists tend to struggle in big elections.
                It isn't conspiratorial to complain about how the media has treated Paul. And I don't mean the exposure of the newsletters, that is actually refreshingly normal treatment of a political candidate. But the insistence that "he can't win" at every opportunity, even now when he is polling strong. Bachman, Cain, Gingrich, Palin and all the other non-Romney GOPers can't honestly win either but were all treated as serious candidates when their time in the limelight came. Yet Ron Paul is continually ignored, disregarded, and excluded. If Ron Paul loses because of his extremism, then so be it. But for the media to decide (and repeat over and over again) that he has lost before the race has even begun is damned crooked. Their job isn't to play king maker.

                So yea, it is appropriate to complain about that. Heck, even Jon Stewart did, and he's certainly no conspiratorial Paultard.
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                When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                • Wait... Bachmann was treated as a serious candidate?! Every time she was portrayed by the media it was in the role of "look at this kook".
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • Kooky, yes. But it was always kooky with a serious shot of winning. I'd prefer that over kooky and no chance of winning so let's talk about Romney's haircut instead.
                    Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                    When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                    • The circus just keeps on rolling. It's my belief that this spectacle of "flavor of the month republican favorite" is all a ploy to leech massive amounts of public attention to offset Obama's natural advantage as an incumbent. Also they need to draw attention away from their natural tendency towards insanity, though this isn't so huge an obstacle. Reagan was widely acknowledged as a mental lightweight, and he managed to hold two terms. Ditto with Bush Jr. Christ the man was utterly defeated by 3 syllable words.
                      "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                      • Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
                        It isn't conspiratorial to complain about how the media has treated Paul. And I don't mean the exposure of the newsletters, that is actually refreshingly normal treatment of a political candidate. But the insistence that "he can't win" at every opportunity, even now when he is polling strong.

                        In the media I'm reading, the Republican candidates in general are being described as a "freakshow"- and that's even from the right-wing UK media. Paul's treatment really looks no different.
                        The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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                        • as the race is being run in america, it's his treatment by the american media that's important. how the uk or other foreign media treats him is irrelevant.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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                          • No one believes the media anyway, and with good reason. R Paul has a good chance to win.
                            I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                            • Originally posted by Dr Strangelove View Post
                              The circus just keeps on rolling. It's my belief that this spectacle of "flavor of the month republican favorite" is all a ploy to leech massive amounts of public attention to offset Obama's natural advantage as an incumbent.
                              I'm sorry to take you to task on this, but who is this a ploy by? None of the candidates stand to gain from flavour-of-the-month politics unless they are the last "flavour." And for that matter, the "flavour of the month" comes simply from better polling by a given candidate. The notion that prospective Republican voters are trying to "leech" attention and thereby change their affections is nonsense. It presumes that the entire constituency, or some large part of it, is literally participating in a conspiracy designed to "offset Obama's natural advantage as an incumbent." Nonsense.
                              Also they need to draw attention away from their natural tendency towards insanity, though this isn't so huge an obstacle.

                              If by insanity, you mean politics with which you disagree. If you lack the perspective necessary to understand that differing viewpoints are not "insane", then you can hardly protest if I deem you to be little more than a fanatic.
                              Reagan was widely acknowledged as a mental lightweigh

                              By whom? Reagan is rightly credited with putting forward a defence policy designed to bring down the Soviet Union. And he succeeded. For that reason alone he is an American hero to whom the world owes its thanks.
                              Ditto with Bush Jr. Christ the man was utterly defeated by 3 syllable words.

                              The strains of office are such that politicians often make such errors. Obama has made them as well; they're just not publicised as much. See e.g. "57 states" or "corpse-man." We look to politicians for thoughtful, clear analysis and policy, not perfect English.

                              You belittle and heap scorn on your countrymen for holding opinions that differ from yours. That is unbecoming.
                              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                              • Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                                If by insanity, you mean politics with which you disagree. If you lack the perspective necessary to understand that differing viewpoints are not "insane", then you can hardly protest if I deem you to be little more than a fanatic.
                                No, he means insanity. As in stark raving, bouncing off the walls ****witted nutjobs. If you cannot see that the positions held by the majority of the primary field are insane, then you can hardly protest if we deem you to be little more than a fanatic. If you think Bachmann and Santorum and Perry are reasonable politicians, then you need to step away from sharp objects immediately and seek help.

                                Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                                By whom? Reagan is rightly credited with putting forward a defence policy designed to bring down the Soviet Union. And he succeeded. For that reason alone he is an American hero to whom the world owes its thanks.
                                Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                                The strains of office are such that politicians often make such errors. Obama has made them as well; they're just not publicised as much. See e.g. "57 states" or "corpse-man." We look to politicians for thoughtful, clear analysis and policy, not perfect English.
                                Ah you think that Reagan and Bush were intelligent men. Ok, you're not helping yourself on that insane issue.

                                Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                                You belittle and heap scorn on your countrymen for holding opinions that differ from yours. That is unbecoming.
                                I assume you think the Germans should have held off from criticizing that nice Mr Hitler too yes? Wouldn't want them to be thought of as 'unbecoming' after all.

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