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    http://www.jessewashington.com/im-not-asian.html

    Lanya Olmstead was born in Florida to a mother who immigrated from Taiwan and an American father of Norwegian ancestry. Ethnically, she considers herself half Taiwanese and half Norwegian. But when applying to Harvard, Olmstead checked only one box for her race: white.

    "I didn't want to put 'Asian' down," Olmstead says, "because my mom told me there's discrimination against Asians in the application process."

    For years, many Asian-Americans have been convinced that it's harder for them to gain admission to the nation's top colleges.

    Studies show that Asian-Americans meet these colleges' admissions standards far out of proportion to their 6 percent representation in the U.S. population, and that they often need test scores hundreds of points higher than applicants from other ethnic groups to have an equal chance of admission. Critics say these numbers, along with the fact that some top colleges with race-blind admissions have double the Asian percentage of Ivy League schools, prove the existence of discrimination.

    The way it works, the critics believe, is that Asian-Americans are evaluated not as individuals, but against the thousands of other ultra-achieving Asians who are stereotyped as boring academic robots.

    Now, an unknown number of students are responding to this concern by declining to identify themselves as Asian on their applications.

    For those with only one Asian parent, whose names don't give away their heritage, that decision can be relatively easy. Harder are the questions that it raises: What's behind the admissions difficulties? What, exactly, is an Asian-American — and is being one a choice?

    Olmstead is a freshman at Harvard and a member of HAPA, the Half-Asian People's Association. In high school she had a perfect 4.0 grade-point average and scored 2150 out of a possible 2400 on the SAT, which she calls "pretty low."

    College applications ask for parent information, so Olmstead knows that admissions officers could figure out a student's background that way. She did write in the word "multiracial" on her own application.

    Still, she would advise students with one Asian parent to "check whatever race is not Asian."

    ...

    Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it's 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.

    Top schools that don't ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian — up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.

    Steven Hsu, a physics professor at the University of Oregon and a vocal critic of current admissions policies, says there is a clear statistical case that discrimination exists.

    "The actual dynamics of how it happens are really quite subtle," he says, mentioning factors like horse-trading among admissions officers for their favorite candidates.

    Also, "when Asians are the largest group on campus, I can easily imagine a fund-raiser saying, 'This is jarring to our alumni,'" Hsu says. Noting that most Ivy League schools have roughly the same percentage of Asians, he wonders if "that's the maximum number where diversity is still good, and it's not, 'we're being overwhelmed by the yellow horde.'"

    Yale, Harvard, Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania declined to make admissions officers available for interviews for this story.
    This kind of stupidity makes me really mad. In a meritocracy, if treating people of primarily or partially East Asian descent results in a college filled with nothing but East Asians, that would not be a problem to be fixed by discriminating against them! In the real world its far from that situation, yet top colleges have long been suspected of discriminating against people of East Asian and recently even Indian descent.

    It is sad that some feel they need to deny their heritage in order to avoid discrimination. It is even sadder that we can't really say their fears are unfounded.
    Last edited by Heraclitus; December 2, 2011, 17:23.
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    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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  • #2
    I first read this as "I am not Aslan." To think I thought you were lion...

    On topic, I had no idea this was a problem, and I can assure you that others will be joining us shortly to ask if you feel the same way about part-black people lying on their admissions forms. Or they will have posted such already while I was typing this up. Hard to say.
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    • #3
      On topic, I had no idea this was a problem, and I can assure you that others will be joining us shortly to ask if you feel the same way about part-black people lying on their admissions forms.
      Of course I would, why wouldn't it? Why, do you think people with partially black descent might feel pressured to hide it when applying to the Ivy leagues?


      In any case what I find absurd here is that they seem to be picking on East Asians for no particular reason, other than them doing very well. And its not even consistent! If one is discriminating against over preforming groups in order to inflate the number of those doing less well, why didn't they also bring back the racist limits on the maximum proportions of Jews admitted (as was done in the early 20th century with much the same rationale)?

      If 30 to 40% of the white student body on Ivy League universities being partially of Jewish descent hasn't hurt those university brand names or made others feel unwelcome, why would 40 to 50% of the total student body being of partially East Asian descent do so?
      Last edited by Heraclitus; December 2, 2011, 17:33.
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #4
        SAT scores are not the only thing college admissions staff look for in a prospective student.
        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • #5
          What albie said. The article has no information which makes it possible to state that east asians are being discriminated against relative to white students. The closest it comes is when it mentions that schools which don't ask about race have high numbers of east asians, yet it does not mention the results of any controlled study to determine whether or not asking about race leads to less east asian admissions relative to white admissions.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
            SAT scores are not the only thing college admissions staff look for in a prospective student.
            Top schools that don't ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian — up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.
            I guess those schools must be the ones looking just at SAT.
            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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            • #7
              SATs are pretty important. With a 2.5 GPA and 1520 SAT, I got a full scholarship. I'm a sirry roundeye, so that might have helped.
              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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              • #8
                I'm not going to read whatever Heraclitus posted but I'd like to say I'm fully aware that Slovenia is not in Asia.

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                • #9
                  Asian students only have higher test scores because they are better at cheating. -FACT!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                    Asian students only have higher test scores because they are better at cheating. -FACT!
                    I'm so tempted to make a racist joke here but I'm scared I'll get banned.
                    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                    • #11
                      Threaten to beat up a minority in front of a church, the two should cancel out.

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