Isaac Asimov's Foundation: A Roland Emmerich Film

[Hauldren Collider]

I liked I, Robot (with Will Smith, right?). It was nothing like the books but it was fun to watch...

[Thoth]

Foundation, Foundation and Empire, and Second Foundation are Sci Fi masterpieces.


This movie will suck donkey balls.

[Pax]

It will be a cineastic masterpiece, like "I, Robot".

I, Robot that should have been given a different name as it has nothing to do with Asimovs' robot series except for also having robots. It might as well have been named Mechwarrior Detective.
It might be possible to make an intelligent sci-fi movie. I think that the makers of BSG and Caprica might be able to do a decent job. There are others out there that deserve a shot as well. I think Tony or Ridley Scott might be able to do a good job as well. But the foundation series requires a depth that the make of independence does not have.

[Hauldren Collider]

Let's be clear here, though--Independence Day was ****in' awesome.

[BlackCat]

It will be a cineastic masterpiece, like "I, Robot".

[BlackCat]

Foundation, Foundation and Empire, and Second Foundation are Sci Fi masterpieces.


This movie will suck donkey balls.

I'm afraid that your prediction are right. (did you use math to get to that conclusion ?)

[Elok]

The movie known as "I, Robot," like many other movies (such as all three Die Hard sequels) originally had nothing to do with the intellectual property of its title. It just had the name tacked on for a low cost afterwards, to add name recognition. Come to think of it, this is actually even dumber than the Paradise Lost movie. While almost nobody has read PL, lots of people recognize and will remember the name. Most of the people who have heard of Foundation at all have read the books, liked them, and know that they bear no resemblance to anything we will see in the trailers.

Oh, but I was forgetting about the upcoming "whitewashed" version of Akira set in NYC. So Foundation is still the second-goofiest studio decision still in development. PL is third. The Battleship movie would be fourth, but sadly I suspect the ruse will work there and people will actually see the stupid thing.

[Uncle Sparky]

Foundation, Foundation and Empire, and Second Foundation are Sci Fi masterpieces.


This movie will suck mule balls.

Corrected and agreed.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yes, the super man (as it were - more super mutant) who throws a wrench into Seldon's mathematical predictions.



Because he does it based on math (laws of mass action), basically. The idea is that his math shows that no individual can really change history, but it will continue on a preset course based on group dynamics. This does wonderfully until the Mule shows up (who has the psychic ability to alter people's emotions).

Save for the fact that the managers of the mathematical models likewise intervene in order to restore the least disruptive path for humanity using their own version of mind controlling powers. In doing so break their own version of the 'prime directive'. (an implicit understanding that one "psychically/charismatically gifted" individual could make humanity deviate from the mathematically modeled outcomes. Gentle nudging without overt interference to maintain the desired outcome was always assumed to be employed)

As for psycho history it is akin to Keynsian economic models on steroids.

In fact the first application of the psycho historical approach was a project the Emperor comissioned Seldon to evaluate the effect of tax code (and complexity thereof) on civilizational progress/decline.

Lastly, the liklihood this movie will be worth watching is practically nil as the concepts dont translate well into modern film.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I, Robot that should have been given a different name as it has nothing to do with Asimovs' robot series except for also having robots. It might as well have been named Mechwarrior Detective.
It might be possible to make an intelligent sci-fi movie. I think that the makers of BSG and Caprica might be able to do a decent job. There are others out there that deserve a shot as well. I think Tony or Ridley Scott might be able to do a good job as well. But the foundation series requires a depth that the make of independence does not have.

It did postulate the laws of robotics to an extent and had a murder mystery involving a robot, but beyond that had nothing in common with Asimov's original classic.

[giblets]

As for psycho history it is akin to Keynsian economic models on steroids.

Keynesian? So other types of macroeconomic models don't attempt to make predictions about how large number of people behave?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

It had the commonality that the individual was unimportant to the model, similar to the keynsian philosophy that the economy is a machine. Ultimately the series undermines that premise in the introduction of the Mule and the understanding that the psychohistorical models are in essence a rigged game maintained by extraordinary individuals.

[Kuciwalker]

It had the commonality that the individual was unimportant to the model, similar to the keynsian philosophy that the economy is a machine.

This is gibberish.

[self biased]

It will be a cineastic masterpiece, like "I, Robot".

the movie was basically "robots and empire."

Giskard postulated the zeroth law of robotics, and R. Daneel Olivaw shows up somewhere along the way if i remember correctly. the movie "I, Robot" basically an exploration of the zeroth law. it also only claims to be inspired by "I, Robot." (or as suggested by i can't remember which). if one goes into the movie thinking about only robots, and the three laws, it's not shabby.

[Elok]

Let's be clear here, though--Independence Day was ****in' awesome.

...how long ago did you last see it? It's most interesting for its insight into Hollywood's view of the world: Jews think of all the solutions, Black people do all the work, Mexicans are there to be sacrificed and a generic-looking White is there to take credit for everything at the end.

EDIT: And yeah, I know, that was Bill Pullman, AKA Lone Starr. But he was playing Generic White Guy.