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  • A seriously, serious thread about French Fries.

    The thread title is a nod to Mr. G. So any way an old high school friend of mine plans on opening some type of fast casual burger and fries type restaurant next year so this afternoon he invited a bunch of us over to his house to use as guinea pigs to try different recipes out. I think his burgers are spot on using locally sourced grass fed, free range, organic beef topped with local one of three different cheeses also sourced here in SoCal while the salad options were all great as well but his french fries still need a bit of work. The big problem is everyone seemed to have their own ideas about what constituted really good fries so we couldn't settle on which variety of fry was the best. Personally, I like thin crispy shoe string fries with a bit of parmesan cheese sprinkled on top but others wanted thick wedge cut or crinkle cut fries and one person even suggested both curly fries and criss cut fries.

    Now, my friend wants to keep his menu very simple so he can keep the kitchen running quickly and efficiently so he wants to do one style of fries but do it very well. His business plan is for a fast casual sit down restaurant offering a limited menu but doing it very well with superior ingredients; kind of like Five Guys but with food you actually want to eat instead of the commodity crap Five Guys shovels. So what exactly do you think makes the best french fry and what is your most memorable french fry experience? Was it crispy or less well done? What style of fries was it (shoe string, wedge cut, crinkle cut, criss cut, or some other style)? Was there some special type of potato used (with several hundred different varieties of potatoes out there some people claim certain breeds of potatoes are better then others when it comes to making fries)? Were the potatoes skinned or was the skin left on? What type of oil was used (or at least did they taste oily or not), were they twice fried or fried only once, was there a vinegary taste to them (some places soak the fries in vinegar before frying them to help get the water out of them so they crispy up better), and what sort of condiments or toppings were used?

    I honestly never knew making french fries was so complicated with so many different options but my friend went into detail on all of them plus made us fill out little cards describing our reactions to each proposed recipe. He seems very serious about coming up with a better french fry recipe.
    Last edited by Dinner; August 27, 2011, 22:25.
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    I think he had his burgers down pat. The bun was a poppy seed bun baked at an award winning local bakery (http://breadandciecatering.com/default.aspx), the cheese was a nicely aged white cheddar (he also plans on offering pepper jack and swiss), the veggies were just lettuce, a slice of heirloom tomato from the local farmer's market, and your choice of fresh red onion or grilled white onion, while the pickle was home made dill style on the side. The beef was what really made it though because the grass fed beef really was more flavorful though because it is so much leaner then the feed lot corn fed beef it has to be served medium rare to prevent it from drying out (personally I like medium rare so this isn't a problem. Yes, the burger is well sorted out as are his optional side salads but the fries remain a big question mark.
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    • #3
      serious thread is serious

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      • #4
        Whatever happened to freedom fries? :diediniraq:

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        • #5
          Five Guys

          People dumb enough to ask Oerdin for advice.

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          • #6
            Even the Republicans figured out Freedom Fries sounded retarded.
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            • #7
              Those burgers sound good.

              Fries? I like 'em crispy and thin (wedge fries suck) with black pepper and mayo.

              If your friend opens up a restaurant in TO I'll give it a try. Good burgers are hard to find amongst all the pre-fab crap the usual fast food joints serve up.
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              • #8
                Deep fried potato bits are extremely bad for you. I still eat them though, and prefer thick cut, skin on (with salt & vinegar).

                If your friend wants to be a bit healthier and draw a better clientel, go for sweet potato fries with non ketchup toppings.
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                • #9
                  I must stress I haven't actually tasted this but looking around the internet it sounds like the ultimate french fry experience.

                  - First use peeled bintje potatoes. They're an heirloom Dutch breed of potatoes cross bred from a high starch content, a low water content, and a full flavor so they're just about the best bred of potatoes (and there are over 3000 breeds of potatoes) for frying. They have a slightly yellow colored flesh much like Canadian Yukon Gold potatoes but they supposedly make the best french fries. To bad they're a rare breed in North America where Idaho Russet potatoes make up around 90% of the potato crop.

                  - Fry in Duck fat. Virtually all fries in North America are fried in peanut oil because it is dirt cheap and has a high burn temperature but I've read that frying in suet (beef lard) or pork lard adds much more flavor with duck lard adding the maximum amount of flavor and complexity while making sure your fries fry up a beautiful golden brown. The only problem is duck fat is pretty expensive so it might be cost prohibitive for all but high end places. Still suet might make a great halfway house where you still get that wonderful lard flavor but don't have to pay 3-4 times as much for duck fat.

                  - Twice fry your fries. Fry them first for about one minute at 325 degrees, let them cool off and drain for 10 minutes, then fry them a second time at 375. This leaves the fries a perfect golden brown color with a crispy crunchy exterior and a pillowy soft interior. Twice fried is impossible to beat.

                  - After the potatoes have been skinned and pressed into 1/4th inch shoe strings put them in a bucket of ice cold water for at least 2 hours to leach out starch and let them rest in the water. Pat completely dry after 2 hours and add to the frier in small hand sized batches. I'm not sure if vinegar should be added to the water or not as some recipes say to do so while others say not to. This is an area which needs experimenting.

                  - When finished let cool for a few minutes then sprinkle with a mix of Parmesan, oregano, salt, and pepper, then serve in a paper wrapped container so that the paper can absorb some of the excess oil/fat.

                  I intend to give all of this to my friend but the bastard better hook me up with some free french fries or something for all of my effort.
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                  • #10
                    Things to avoid: You want to make sure the oil/lard is hot enough so that the fries crisp up without becoming logged with oil. Also you don't want to put to many fries in at once as they're likely cold and putting to many in will lower the temperature resulting in under cooked and oily fries.
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                    • #11
                      He told me he wants burgers & fries with optional side salads (various types using home made dressings) and a good selection of on tap micro brews so that both the blue collar types and the yuppies feel at home there. The micro brewed beers also have a nice mark up so from a profits stand point they're a must. Of course there will also be a normal soda fountain but the craft brewed beers are really going to be the heart and soul of a specialty burger joint. I told him he should top his burgers with a nice mustard aioli but I think he's leaning towards house made mustard, mayo, and ketchup.
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                      • #12
                        wrap them in bacon before frying and it would be better.

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                        • #13
                          Blue collar types are not going to feel comfortable at this yuppie monstrosity.

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                          • #14
                            Yep.

                            ACK!
                            Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                            • #15
                              , I like thin crispy shoe string fries with a bit of parmesan cheese sprinkled on top


                              Ohh, for **** sakes... * sigh *

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