Weight of Chains

[Cort Haus]

This is typical left-wing West-self-hatred, similar to, ¨boohoo we were so evil during the colonial era¨. There might be a partial truth to it (nothing happens in isolation and cause and effect can be a networked product of various (opposing) interests coming together), but this it too polarized.

I haven't seen the film, but I am familiar with the arguments that counter the traditional narrative.

In fact the opposition (tiny as it was) to intervention was a mix of both right and left-leaning people, and not based on "typical left-wing West-self-hatred", but on objective and honest analysis. The left generally though were among the loudest proponents of western intervention, alongside those sabre-rattlers on the right who always support every war uncritically.

I used to consider myself a leftist until the Yugo interventions, when the shrill and unbalanced reaction of the left and their thirst for war over understanding of the actual facts led me to part company with them. I've never considered myself to be a part of the left since then, and have hated the Guardian newspaper ever since.

[Cort Haus]

What a load of horse ****. "The Americans caused the wars!"

To be fair, the Germans did their bit too, as did the Vatican.

Not many people realise that all sides in the Bosnia war had agreed to a peace deal before war had even broken out. The USA encouraged the Muslim side (under the fundamentalist Izetbegovic) to go back on this agreement and to hold out for more. In the war that could have been avoided, the US allied itself with Iran, Saudi Arabia and Osama bin Laden.

In 1998 the KLA were a listed terrorist organisation in the US. In 1999 NATO was their airforce. At the Rambouillet 'negotiations' NATO demanded the free and unrestricted military access to the entire FRY, which no government could ever accept as a solution to a secessionist dispute in a province.

NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations.

The FRY government naturally could not agree to such an unreasonable ultimatum, did not sign, and got attacked. They were, however, willing to grant autonomy to the province. NATO wanted war, not peace.

[Docfeelgood]

To be fair, the Germans did their bit too, as did the Vatican.

Not many people realise that all sides in the Bosnia war had agreed to a peace deal before war had even broken out. The USA encouraged the Muslim side (under the fundamentalist and Izetbegovic) to go back on this agreement and to hold out for more. In the war that could have been avoided, the US allied itself with Iran, Saudi Arabia and Osama bin Laden.

In 1998 the KLA were a listed terrorist organisation in the US. In 1999 NATO was their airforce. At the Rambouillet 'negotiations' NATO demanded the free and unrestricted military access to the entire FRY, which no government could ever accept as a solution to a secessionist dispute in a province.



The FRY government naturally could not agree to such an unreasonable ultimatum, did not sign, and got attacked. They were, however, willing to grant autonomy to the province. NATO wanted war, not peace.

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