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    The author is John Kemp.
    n joined Reuters in 2008 as one of its first financial columnists, specialising in commodities and energy. While his main focus is on oil markets, he has written broadly on the emergence of commodities as an asset class, regulatory issues and macroeconomic themes. Before joining Reuters, John spent seven years as a senior analyst for Sempra Commodities (now part of JP Morgan) covering base metals and crude oil. Previously, he worked as an analyst on world trade, banking and financial regulation for consultancy Oxford Analytica.



    Quantitative easing and the commodity markets
    Oct 29, 2010 09:09 EDT

    -The views expressed are the author’s own-

    A warning by an International Energy Agency (IEA) analyst this week that quantitative easing (QE) risked inflating nominal commodity prices and derailing the recovery drew a withering response from Nobel Economics Laureate Paul Krugman, who labelled the unfortunate analyst the “worst economist in the world”.

    According to New York Times columnist Krugman “Higher commodity prices will hurt the recovery only if they rise in real terms. And they’ll only rise in terms if QE succeeds in raising real demand. And this will happen only if, yes, QE2 is successful in helping economic recovery”.

    Krugman’s criticism is unfair. There are clear links between QE and investor appetite for commodity derivatives and physical stocks (via the Federal Reserve’s “portfolio balance” effect), and from investors’ holdings of derivatives and physical inventories to cash prices (given the relatively inelastic supply and demand for raw materials in the short term).

    In other words, there are financial as well as real economy links between QE and commodity prices. Commodities have some of the characteristics of financial assets as well as physical consumption materials. Via portfolio effects, QE could boost the relative (real) price of commodities even if it did not boost employment and output in the United States by very much.

    It is a more open question whether commodity-driven inflation would hinder or promote a recovery in output and employment in the advanced industrial economies. It would reduce the real burden of inherited debts from the boom years. But it would harm savers, and it might harm manufacturers and households, depending on whether increased commodity prices were matched by rising non-commodity consumer prices and wages.

    Overall, an unbalanced, commodity-driven inflation would probably be more of a drag on recovery than a help. Reasonable observers have reached different conclusions. In any event, the analyst’s warning was certainly not a “classic freshman mistake” or evidence of a new “Dark Age of economics” that the erudite professor labelled it.

    TRANSMISSION MECHANISMS
    Setting aside the transmission mechanism through real demand, QE is likely to boost investment allocated to commodities (derivatives and physical stocks of raw materials) by altering both prospective returns on different asset classes and the composition of instruments available for investors to include in their portfolios.

    Financial transmission mechanisms between QE and commodity prices are complex. There are at least four channels by which large-scale bond purchases by the Fed and other central banks could flow through to higher commodity prices:

    (1) RISK PREFERENCES
    QE is designed to depress real inflation-adjusted returns on safe highly liquid instruments such as U.S. Treasury notes to force investors to increase their holdings of riskier assets such as corporate bonds, equities and ultimately physical investments like real estate, plant and equipment.

    The Fed hopes that at least some private investors and institutions such as pension funds will choose to increase their risk exposure rather than accept lower returns on safe assets. It should prompt outflows from low risk low return assets such as government bonds towards higher risk classes including commodity derivatives.

    (2) ASSET COMPOSITION
    Large-scale buying of Treasury notes by the Federal Reserve System will reduce the availability of low-risk instruments for other investors. Private investors and institutions own just over $5 trillion of the marketable debt of the United States.

    If the Fed purchases $500 billion worth of securities it would reduce the free float by 10 percent. With government borrowing running at more than $1 trillion per year, the actual impact on the float will be smaller. But large-scale purchases will still reduce the volume of low-risk debt available compared with its trajectory in the absence of the programme.

    QE represents a form of reverse crowding out. In traditional crowding out theory, emissions of state debt crowd out private investment (shrinking the volume of funds available and driving up the cost of borrowing). By reducing the current and projected amount of Treasury securities in circulation, QE aims to crowd in private sector investment, which will include investment in commodity derivatives and physical stocks.

    (3) OPPORTUNITY COSTS
    By lowering interest rates and yields on government debt, corporate bonds and equities, QE will reduce the opportunity costs and financial expenses involved in holding long positions in commodity derivatives (embedded in the contango) and physical stocks (storage costs and financing fees).

    Positions in physical raw materials or derivatives have been likened by the California State Teachers Retirement System (CalSTRS) and other institutions to a form of insurance. Most of the time commodity holdings lose small amounts of money as a result of storage and financing fees, but there are large positive payoffs during periodic price spikes associated with general inflation or commodity specific supply shocks.

    By cutting the direct cost of financing positions, and reducing the positive yield on competing investments in equities and bonds, QE reduces both the absolute and relative cost of taking out this type of inflation insurance. At the margin it will make it more attractive for institutional investors to allocate funds to derivatives or physical stocks.

    (4) PRICE EXPECTATIONS
    If QE raises expectations about the average inflation rate in the medium term it may make more private investors and institutions keen to buy protect themselves against price rises by gaining long exposure to raw materials.
    To the extent investors expect inflation to accelerate most in commodities (because of supply constraints, inelastic demand, and self-validating price feedback) it becomes even more important to hedge exposure as well as using commodities as a source of excess returns.

    UNCERTAIN QUANTIFICATION
    QE is not an exact science. The Fed itself is not certain about how much impact bond purchases would have on the yields of U.S. Treasury securities. One much cited paper suggests the first round lowered yields between 30 and 100 basis points, probably towards the lower end of that range. Officials seem even more uncertain how much impact a second round would have.

    If the direct impact on bond yields is difficult to estimate, even retrospectively, the forecast effect on commodity prices, which is far more indirect, is impossible to quantify. Massive uncertainty surrounding other variables, the transmission mechanisms, and how QE will interact with investor preferences dominates any price forecast. It is essentially meaningless to say that $X billion of QE would add $Y to the price of a barrel of oil or a tonne of zinc. The uncertainty is simply too large for the prediction to be useful.

    But it is possible to predict the effect on prices will be positive (since all the transmission mechanisms point in the same direction, from higher QE to increased investor demand for commodity derivatives and inventories).

    It seems likely the biggest impact will be felt in markets where fundamentals are already strongest (given the non-linear nature of commodity pricing relationships and the heightened potential for bubbles to form as a result of positive feedback loops and self-validating price movements).

    QE will favour most commodity investments in comparison with low-risk assets such as cash and bonds. But the differential impact across the sector suggests gains will be largest for relative-value strategies which overweight raw materials in shortest supply and underweight those with more comfortable supply-demand balances and inventories.

    A rising tide of easy money will lift all commodities, but not equally. Differential impact from QE will provide perfect conditions to test the claims of a new generation of dynamic commodity indices (such as the SummerHaven/U.S. Commodity Funds Commodity Index) as well as fundamentals-based relative value active managers (such as VOC Capital Management and Curium Capital) that they can generate enhanced returns.
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    • QE does generally increase inflation. That said in a deflationary environment you want to spark a bit of inflation and since the Fed rate has been at or near zero for some time now yet deflation still was occurring in my segments there really is very little policy makers can do other then quantitative easing. QE competitively devalues the currency making exports cheaper and imports more expensive (thus helping spark economic recovery), it helped the banks recapitalize by lowering the relative size of their outstanding debts & obligations, and best of all it helps eliminate deflation. It looks like the Fed got it almost perfectly too because inflation is only 1%-2% and will likely remain there for the next several years. That's almost exactly where you want it to be.

      BTW the impact of CE on prices has not been very large at all because the size of the two QEs were both pretty small in terms of the total number of dollars already in circulation. The economically destructive effects of rampant deflation would certainly have been worse then the few basis points change in inflation caused by QE. If anything it has helped us get closer to price stability. Trying to blame rising food prices, which is a world wide event even in non-dollar dominated zones, on QE is like trying to blame a butterfly for a hurricane. The effects are just orders of magnitude off.
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      • In the end, your claim that the price on food can only change due to the poor's ability to pay for it increasing is absurd. If you drop the "only" then it becomes much more reasonable, but still misses the point that QE doesn't necessarily raise poor people's wages nominally or otherwise if it increases the price of food. There are plenty of other factors involved in whether poor people's wages increase or not.
        The price of food can only rise if people spend more money on it, or if the supply decreases. Who do you posit got more money due to QE, and then decided to spend a large portion of it on food?

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        • Any way to repeat. The reason food prices have been going up all over the world is:

          1) Demand is greater then ever and increasing rapidly.
          2) Trade barriers have been coming down around the world just as use of modern transport has been going up so items are now moving around the globe faster and more efficiently as merchants attempt to find arbitrage.
          3) Fuel prices have been going up, largely because demand increases faster then new supply comes online (again largely because of new 3rd world demand), so even though we're transporting stuff more the cost of transporting it is increasing.
          4) Supply of several key grains has been constricted due to bad weather in various parts of the world.
          5) The cost of farm inputs (especially petrol based fertilizer, gas to run machinery, etc...) has been increasing requiring farmers/wholesalers to increase prices to maintain margins.
          6) Finally there have been some absolutely ****ing retarded government policies which have caused price shocks. Argentina & Russia restricted exports to keep domestic prices of wheat lower, Thailand did the same but with rice, while the US has been pandering to the corn lobby to wastefully destroy 40% of it's corn crop in an extremely inefficient attempt to boost ethanol production (or rather that's the excuse while the reality is they wanted to boost corn prices as a political kick back).

          All of this trickles in as higher prices for normal people. QED.
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          • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
            The price of food can only rise if people spend more money on it, or if the supply decreases. Who do you posit got more money due to QE, and then decided to spend a large portion of it on food?
            1. I don't
            2. In your hypothetical everyone who wants to continue to eat would have to pay more. You're saying wages for poor increase right? Well, many of those poor work in agriculture. If their wages increase, so do costs for food production. (In and addition to any increase in other agricultural imputs.) If the middle class and rich want to continue to eat as much as they do (SEE OBESITY) then they will pay more as well.

            This means your only was misplaced.

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            • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
              The price of food can only rise if people spend more money on it, or if the supply decreases.
              This is kind of hilarious considering your earlier claims
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              • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                The price of food can only rise if people spend more money on it, or if the supply decreases. Who do you posit got more money due to QE, and then decided to spend a large portion of it on food?

                Or some goes unsold and wasted?
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                • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                  The price of food can only rise if people spend more money on it, or if the supply decreases. Who do you posit got more money due to QE, and then decided to spend a large portion of it on food?
                  Or if the costs of inputs or transportation goes up. For example if fertilizer costs spike upwards sharply, as has happened recently, then that is an increased production cost which must be passed on or eaten by someone in the supply chain in the form of smaller margins. The exact same can be said about the cost of gasoline which runs the machines which till, plant, harvest, and then transport the crops.
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                  • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                    In your hypothetical everyone who wants to continue to eat would have to pay more. You're saying wages for poor increase right? Well, many of those poor work in agriculture. If their wages increase, so do costs for food production.
                    You are double-counting the inflation here.

                    If the middle class and rich want to continue to eat as much as they do (SEE OBESITY) then they will pay more as well.


                    Yes, they pay more, nominal spending increases, and the real price of food (as a portion of e.g. wages) remains the same! i.e. it is no more difficult than before for people to buy food.

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                    • If they're not part of the cash economy, as many 3rd world peasant farmers aren't (or at east they are only nominally part of it) then it doesn't help much but it most certainly hurts them if they require inputs which must be bought off of the cash economy (like fertilizer or seeds or farm implants). In short, even those who are barely involved with the cash economy are hurt by the inflation. Truthfully, they're all economically next to worthless and the world would be a much better place (with much more food produced) if these subsistence holes in the ground got rationalized into larger holdings which are economically viable and can afford to adopt more efficient agricultural practices. Kick the peasants off their tiny patches of dirt and make them get jobs which pay wages and everyone, including the dirt poor peasants, will be better off in the long run.
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                      • Can it really be true that in liberal society the well-placed and powerful become selfless while provincials and outsiders become oppressive?
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                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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                        • Also, wouldn't the argument that Buffet's tax rate is 98% be based on the assumption that his wealth is made of cash reserves?

                          EDIT: Jaguar's argument
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                          • Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                            Or if the costs of inputs or transportation goes up. For example if fertilizer costs spike upwards sharply, as has happened recently, then that is an increased production cost which must be passed on or eaten by someone in the supply chain in the form of smaller margins. The exact same can be said about the cost of gasoline which runs the machines which till, plant, harvest, and then transport the crops.
                            Kuci already implicitly adressed this. His arguement was a trusim re: intersection of supply and demand curves. Structural costs to suppliers impact the supply curve and ultimately the equilibrium of supply/demand intersections.
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                            • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                              Also, wouldn't the argument that Buffet's tax rate is 98% be based on the assumption that his wealth is made of cash reserves?

                              EDIT: Jaguar's argument
                              Most of Buffett's wealth is in the form of equities, which essentially go to corporations to produce factories and skyscrapers and office parks. Buffett does not make use of the things that his equities purchase.
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                              • Originally posted by Jaguar View Post
                                Most of Buffett's wealth is in the form of equities, which essentially go to corporations to produce factories and skyscrapers and office parks. Buffett does not make use of the things that his equities purchase.
                                Yes, but if he were to sell these equities, it wouldn't have the same effect as if the government printed money...
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