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  • #46
    Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
    I use to be a fan of group marriages. During my rebellious phase (16-18). Then I studied different groups that had people practice them of various sorts. I saw the results, and it doesn't take much reading to see the results of polygamous non-marriages now...
    JM
    And what are the current "results" of YOUR VIEW of traditional marriages... We have massive divorce rates, abused children, broken homes...
    No matter what form or relationships you want to view, there are going to be good ones and bad ones. It's all about the individuals involved, not the form of relationship.
    Keep on Civin'
    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • #47
      Yeah. Basically what I think.
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      • #48
        Unlike you I do care about society as a whole. Because unlike you I recognize it changes my life and those I care about.

        So I am in favor of gay marriage, because I think it will improve the lives of homosexuals and thus the lives of everyone.

        So I am not in favor of poly-marriage, because there is 1000s of years of evidence (including in the last 200) that it doesn't improve the lives of the people who take part (in general) nor the people in their community. In fact, it causes damage, pain and hurt.

        I am not going to accept you cramming your beliefs down my throat, and so will voice my beliefs and hope that others agree with me.

        JM
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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ming View Post
          And what are the current "results" of YOUR VIEW of traditional marriages... We have massive divorce rates, abused children, broken homes...
          No matter what form or relationships you want to view, there are going to be good ones and bad ones. It's all about the individuals involved, not the form of relationship.
          The divorce rates often come from when people try to include polyamory in their relationships.

          This includes the abused children and the broken homes.

          Remove the marriages that contain some form of polyamory and the marriages remaining would be much more successful and positive.

          JM
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          • #50
            I'd want to see stats to back that up.
            Current marriage failure rates are pretty darn high. I doubt those that contain some form of polyamory (sp) make up any substantial percentage.
            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
              I am not going to accept you cramming your beliefs down my throat, and so will voice my beliefs and hope that others agree with me.
              I don't have a 'belief' in polygamy, I just don't think we should ban it for people who do believe in it. Certainly children being abused, forced marriages or any other psychological abuse is completely unacceptable whatever form of relationship.

              And assuming we aren't going to legislate that living in a home with multiple adults who might be in various sexual relations with each other is illegal, then why not allow it to be formalised?

              And I'm really not sure why the legality or not of polygamous marriages would have any affect on non-polygamous marriages at all. In the same way gay marriage doesn't negatively impact straight marriage in any way.
              Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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              • #52
                I think it's a very minority thing in the west, and normally practised by 'cult' like groups and people with extreme beliefs, all of whom might tend to more abusive, damaging relationships whatever form they took.

                Happy to see some evidence though, I don't know much about it like I said.
                Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by MikeH View Post

                  And I'm really not sure why the legality or not of polygamous marriages would have any affect on non-polygamous marriages at all. In the same way gay marriage doesn't negatively impact straight marriage in any way.
                  i haven't heard anyone mention that argument?

                  JM
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                  • #54
                    You did:

                    Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                    Remove the marriages that contain some form of polyamory and the marriages remaining would be much more successful and positive.
                    Suggesting they'd be more successful without polygamous marriages infers the polygamous ones have caused them to be less successful.
                    Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                    Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                    We've got both kinds

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                    • #55
                      I was reading a bit online. An interesting newsletter about monogamy/polygamy from a former polyamorist psychologist: http://www.robertmasters.com/newsletter/July2006.pdf who thought (at the end of his life) that monogamy was better.

                      Note, I am not saying I agree with him in everything. But he comes from the pro-polygamy crowd, and I think his insights are interesting.

                      JM
                      Jon Miller-
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                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                        You did:



                        Suggesting they'd be more successful without polygamous marriages infers the polygamous ones have caused them to be less successful.
                        Err, you didn't understand me. I am talking about sets.

                        I said remove the marriages which are currently polygamous in some form (which is a lot of them), and you would be left with a much higher marriage success rate.

                        The polygamous marriages have nothing to do with the non-polygamous marriages, and nothing I said implies that.

                        JM
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                        • #57
                          Again... it all depends on the individuals involved. For some people, monogamy doesn't work, but for many it does. Just because there is a high divorce rate and many problems associated with traditional marriages doesn't mean we should outlaw it. The same holds true for other forms of relationships.

                          Again... who are we to judge what type of relationship consenting adults can have.
                          I don't let other people's relationships effect the one I have.
                          Keep on Civin'
                          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #58
                            Where is your evidence that it depends on the individuals involved?

                            JM
                            Jon Miller-
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                            • #59
                              Are you including adulterous in polygamous though? I certainly wouldn't.

                              Otherwise I have no idea how polygamous can constitute anything other than a tiny proportion in western nations?
                              Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                              Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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                              • #60
                                To quote some more:

                                "... begin with two crucial words. The first is "marriage." Group love (sometimes called polyamory) is already legal, and some people freely practice it. Polygamy asserts not a right to love several others but a right to marry them all. Because a marriage license is a state grant, polygamy is a matter of public policy, not just of personal preference."

                                "By this point it should be obvious that polygamy is, structurally and socially, the opposite of same-sex marriage, not its equivalent. Same-sex marriage stabilizes individuals, couples, communities, and society by extending marriage to many who now lack it. Polygamy destabilizes individuals, couples, communities, and society by withdrawing marriage from many who now have it."



                                JM
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