Vatican says gays are undeserving of basic human rights.

[notyoueither]

In that case the human rights of gays have never been respected during all of mankind's history until some countries legalized gay mariage this past decade.

Yes, no, and maybe. Also, did you know that at one time there was no such thing as rights. For anyone!

[Dinner]

Has the Vatican ever even acknowledged how they were complicit in the Holocaust? I read the book Hitler's Pope a while back and it was an enlightening read.

[Barnabas]

Yes, the bishops were throwing the Jews right into the Gas Chambers

[Jon Miller]

I also agree with those who don't think that gay marriage is a human right, but supports gay marriage to support my gay friends and provide support to serious gay relationships.

JM

[notyoueither]

Back up.

Is marriage a basic right for anyone?

[Hauldren Collider]

I would argue that it is not. Recognition of marriage by the government is not a basic human right, it is a government service.

[Jon Miller]

Back up.

Is marriage a basic right for anyone?

No.

And it has never been so. And it is still not so (Even in states/countries that recognize gay marriage).

And those who argue for gay marriage from the standpoint that it is, make me want to change to be against gay marriage because it would be terrible if marriage was a basic right for anyone.

JM

[notyoueither]

Why would it be terrible if marriage were thought of as a basic human right?

[Jon Miller]

Because I am against and not a fan of:

1. Marriage where one or more people are very young.
2. Marriage between blood relations.
3. Marriage between more than 2 people.
4. Marriage between a human and a non-human.

And so on....

I think they would be damaging to society. I don't think that 'gay marriage is a slippery slope'. I do think that 'marriage is a fundamental right' has implications though.

JM

[Jon Miller]

It is also negative to add fundamental rights for everything.

Pretty soon I will have the fundamental right to wear what I want and the fundamental right to drive and so on...

JM

[Dinner]

Yes, the bishops were throwing the Jews right into the Gas Chambers

They almost were. The Vatican was telling Catholics it was their duty to report law breakers including Jews, gays, and Gypsies who were trying to hide from the SS. There were dozens of ways they were complicit including money laundering for the Nazis through the Vatican bank since the Vatican wasn't officially at war with the allies.

[notyoueither]

Because I am against and not a fan of:

1. Marriage where one or more people are very young.
2. Marriage between blood relations.
3. Marriage between more than 2 people.
4. Marriage between a human and a non-human.

And so on....

I think they would be damaging to society. I don't think that 'gay marriage is a slippery slope'. I do think that 'marriage is a fundamental right' has implications though.

JM

Most all rights are curtailed or limited under certain conditions.

The UN (and the EU) having adopted marriage as a human right does not mean that children or cousins can marry.

Non-humans cannot consent. Consent is a fairly large issue in marriage.

Group marriages are an interesting topic, but acknowledging the rights of marriage as a basic human right does not entail polygamy being a right.

[notyoueither]

It is also negative to add fundamental rights for everything.

Pretty soon I will have the fundamental right to wear what I want and the fundamental right to drive and so on...

JM

Mating is pretty fundamental to the human animal.

[Jon Miller]

The UN (and the EU) having adopted marriage as a human right does not mean that children or cousins can marry.

Meaningless.

Similar issues with group marriages.

Anyways, marriage as a fundament right is very disagreeable for me.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Mating is pretty fundamental to the human animal.

I definitely don't think we have a fundamental right to mate.

Although I did think some german prisoners were arguing that?

No, it was some german old folks who argued that they should be 'taken care of'?

Anyways, no fundamental right to mate. Obviously if there is no fundamental right to mate, there is no fundamental right to marriage.

JM