Introduce me to good rock music

[MikeH]

So he likes poetry, and doesn't mind if it has a backing track.

[Al B. Sure!]

Music is ultimately a form of communication from the artist to the listener. Instruments can communicate emotion but no instrument can communicate ideas to the listener. Lyrics can convey both.

[giblets]

Instruments can't be used to describe the finer points of marxist thought. I think that's what Al is saying.

[Lorizael]

Instruments can communicate emotion but no instrument can communicate ideas to the listener.

Repeating this point does not make it correct. Additionally, it's a pretty fantastic claim given that it would take only one example to prove it wrong and you are more or less incapable of proving it right.

[Al B. Sure!]

Repeating this point does not make it correct. Additionally, it's a pretty fantastic claim given that it would take only one example to prove it wrong and you are more or less incapable of proving it right.

Show me a violin that can convey the idea "I am hungry" as clearly and unequivocally as me saying "I am hungry".

What about something as complex as a social position?

[Lorizael]

...I don't have to. All I have to do is show you a violin conveying any idea, regardless of its clarity or quality, and your argument collapses.

[-Jrabbit]

Alby is a world-class generalizer. Women. Music. Sports.
Going from "I hate that guitar part" to "I hate all guitarists who own a distortion pedal, and all songs they've every played on" is just so easy for him...
Impressive in its way.

[Al B. Sure!]

...I don't have to. All I have to do is show you a violin conveying any idea, regardless of its clarity or quality, and your argument collapses.

What the hell are you talking about?

Take these 4 bars from 2pac:

No Malcolm X in my history text
Why is that?
Cause he tried to educate and liberate all blacks
Why is Martin Luther King in my book each week?
He told blacks, if they get smacked, turn the other cheek

How the hell can you express that without lyrics?


Lyrics are capable of expressing both emotion and ideas. Instruments can only express emotion.

It's so obvious I don't know what to say. This is like you asking me to prove the sky is blue.

[-Jrabbit]

Show me a violin that can convey the idea "I am hungry" as clearly and unequivocally as me saying "I am hungry".

What about something as complex as a social position?

The fact that human vocabulary is more complex than vibrating string is both obvious and irrelevant.

Words and music work together to create a synergy. Arguing that one has value over the other is to deny the power of music as an art.

[Al B. Sure!]

The fact that human vocabulary is more complex than vibrating string is both obvious and irrelevant.

This is quite possibly the single most inane argument you've ever promoted, Alby.

Yet apparently Lorizael wants to deny that most obvious fact. It's not me. It's him being daft.

[-Jrabbit]

DanS'd you.

[giblets]

Yet apparently Lorizael wants to deny that most obvious fact. It's not me. It's him being daft.

No, he denied your claim that instruments can convey "only emotions" and then you set up a stawman while moving the goalposts.

[BlackCat]

No, he denied your claim that instruments can convey "only emotions" and then you set up a stawman while moving the goalposts.

Ah, now the B makes sense

[Al B. Sure!]

No, he denied your claim that instruments can convey "only emotions" and then you set up a stawman while moving the goalposts.

Emotions and ideas. What else can be expressed by humans through any medium?

[giblets]

Emotions and ideas. What else can be expressed by humans through any medium?

Yes, he thinks some ideas can be expressed through instrumentation.