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    Propaganda in Hollywood

    I'm watching an author ("Primetime Propaganda") on Bill O'Reilly's show, its about Hollywood getting across the liberal message etc. One of his examples of propaganda was "The 70s Show". Apparently the show opened with the guys sitting around a table getting stoned without showing them toking. The author asked the female producer of the show about it and she said they thought it was really funny so they insisted on using it. Now, that doesn't sound like she was being political, but the author proceeded to say the following about the scene - it didn't show negative consequences to using pot. That was his gripe, and he calls her the propagandist? You cant show people getting stoned without some tragedy befalling them! Why, that sends the wrong message
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    "The true story about how the left took over your tv." It sounds completely brain dead and, speaking of propaganda, right up Bill O'Reilly's avenue. While the pot scene sounds cutesy I hope you watch some more factually based news instead of just consuming propaganda.
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    • #3
      is that the book's subtitle?

      now O'Reilly is doin his nightly "Pinheads and Patriots" segment - no propaganda there

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      • #4
        Yeah, that's the full title. Primetime Propaganda: The true story about how the left took over your tv. The guy sounds like a pinhead but on Fox they probably call him a patriot for ferreting out the super secret leftist plot or some other nonsense.
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        • #5
          O'Reilly is just mad that liberal shows get better ratings. "Desperate Housewives" isn't on the air for years because TV programmers are trying to make you leftist; it is because lots of people want to see housewives cheating.
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          • #6
            O'Reilly is now in a ratings war with programs (Desperate Housewives) not in his time slot?

            Really? You assign a motive to a guy assuming a jealousy factor for a show not even in competition with him. I realize the guy is an ego-maniac and a loser but this is so conjectural as to not warrant consideration.
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            • #7
              Way to miss the point entirely. That was almost Alby like.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                Way to miss the point entirely. That was almost Alby like.
                No, actually. Everyone always misses MY point entirely. I can't even count how many times that has happened.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  Way to miss the point entirely. That was almost Alby like.
                  What point? You assigned a motive without any backing information. Spurious charges at best. Congrats on posting drivel.
                  "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                    What point? You assigned a motive without any backing information. Spurious charges at best. Congrats on posting drivel.
                    No, he gave an example of a show where people do things people consider bad and said it's not on the air because of some conspiracy to make people think cheating on your spouse is okay, it's on the air because a lot of people want to watch it. He never said O'reilly was in a ratings war with Desperate Housewives. I don't know where you got that from but it stinks.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                      No, he gave an example of a show where people do things people consider bad and said it's not on the air because of some conspiracy to make people think cheating on your spouse is okay, it's on the air because a lot of people want to watch it. He never said O'reilly was in a ratings war with Desperate Housewives. I don't know where you got that from but it stinks.
                      This.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                        No, he gave an example of a show where people do things people consider bad and said it's not on the air because of some conspiracy to make people think cheating on your spouse is okay, it's on the air because a lot of people want to watch it. He never said O'reilly was in a ratings war with Desperate Housewives. I don't know where you got that from but it stinks.
                        Learning to read is fundamental.

                        O'Reilly is just mad that liberal shows get better ratings.
                        The word "better" is a comparative adjective. Better than what? Either Imran is imprecise and should have used a more apprpropriate adjective such as "good" or "awesome" or "industry leading" etc. To use the word better naturally implies a comparison to O'reilly.

                        Even if a differing adjective were used, there is no logical tie as to why O'reilly gives a damn about the ratings of some other show on a differing network. The whole statement is pure conjecture, not defended, and rather poorly stated to boot.
                        Last edited by Ogie Oglethorpe; June 7, 2011, 12:24.
                        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                          Learning to read is fundamental.



                          The word "better" is a comparative adjective. Better than what? Either Imran is imprecise and should have used a more apprpropriate adjective such as "good" or "awesome" or "industry leading" etc. To use the word better naturally implies a comparison to O'reilly.
                          No, it does not. The most natural comparison to the term "liberal" in the US is "conservative". Your failure to understand what you read doesn't make it "drivel". I didn't have any trouble understanding.

                          Even if a differing adjective were used, there is no logical tie as to why O'reilly gives a damn about the ratings of some other show on a differing network. The whole statement is pure conjecture, not defended, and rather poorly stated to boot.
                          He's a conservative ****wad who gets offended when marijuana is depicted as something other than some unspeakable evil?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                            No, it does not. The most natural comparison to the term "liberal" in the US is "conservative". Your failure to understand what you read doesn't make it "drivel". I didn't have any trouble understanding.
                            The word "better" is an adjective that modifies the noun "ratings". Even if one allows for the concept of the comparison of "liberal shows" (to who knows what) by your own admission you claim O'reilly is a conservative with a conservative show. Hence the comparison is natural to his show.

                            Otherwise please list for me the plethora of conservative shows one was to compare against. That listing would be illustrative because it would show that Imran was imprecise in his comparison and required additional clarification.
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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                            • #15
                              Who here has watched Avatar?

                              That aside, it's no secret that the film and television industries tend more liberal than the general public. Just like people in the oil industry tend to be more conservative (witness: Alaska). Is this guy correctly identifying liberal values in That 70's Show? Probably. Does it matter? Probably not. Take note that he's not calling for it to be banned. He's just bringing attention to the fact that it's not Independence Day or a Tom Clancy book. Presumably O'Reilly's audience is interested in that.

                              If you look at drug use in American television and film for the past few decades, it's almost always been shown in a negative light. Even Grand Theft Auto portrays drug use in a condescending way. Bad things happen to people who use drugs, because they use drugs. It's just standard. Therefore, not showing the negative consequences represents a deviation from the norm. Again, while it's not a big deal, he's also not imagining things. I'll concede that calling it propaganda may be a stretch.

                              I really shouldn't be posting...oh well

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