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  • Anyway, here's something sort of relevant, especially with regards to Heraclitus' claims about economic interests... from a website called hiphoprepublican.com:

    It’s easy to forget now, but just a few generations ago African-Americans overwhelmingly identified themselves as Republicans. The story of how the Party of Lincoln lost its black support is long and sad, but understanding what happened will be critical as the Party looks to improve its standing in the black community.

    You could start the story in the fall of 1895, when Atlanta put on one in a series of “International Expositions” designed to highlight its progress in recovering from the war. Racial tensions had been growing since Southerners, at the end of Reconstruction, began instituting Jim Crow laws to curtail black civil rights. Those laws were under challenge at the time and there were differences among blacks on the merits of direct resistance.

    The organizers of the Exposition invited prominent black leader Booker T. Washington to give a keynote address. The position he took in that speech was a calculated gamble that aimed to improve blacks’ social position by aggressively pursuing progress and abandoning political agitation. The approach he outlined became the dominant black ethos for generations. It was a dizzying failure with consequences we are still working to unwind.

    Which brings us to the next player in the story. Washington had a rival in his bid to be the main voice of black America. W.E.B. DuBois was raised in the north and graduated from Harvard. He advocated a much more forceful stand for political rights and dismissed Washington’s emphasis on economic development and capitalism. DuBois founded the NAACP and became a prominent figure, particularly among Northern blacks. DuBois was impressed with Marxism and flirted with radical left-wing theories all his life, even writing a defense of Stalin at his death. His influence would increase as Washington’s version of compromise began to unravel.

    Washington’s approach incorporated two disastrous mistakes. First he thought that institutional Southern racism would weaken as the black community began to realize its economic potential. Second, he did not recognize that capitalism cannot function without government protection of basic property rights. In the face of these tragic misunderstandings, blacks labored away for decades building remarkably successful businesses, professions, and civic institutions, only to watch them crushed over and over again by discriminatory laws and violence. There was no hope for economic progress without the most basic civil rights.

    A wave of race riots in the teens and ‘20’s were particularly devastating. Only a fraction of the incidents were documented at the time, usually in the form of a brief, euphemistic reference in a local paper to “troubles.” But postcards (that’s right, postcards), stories, and victim accounts painted a clearer picture. Two of the most notorious riots occurred in Rosewood, Florida and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Prosperous black communities were in many cases wiped off the map, destroying generations of hard-won gains. When the Depression came, the brief flowering of the separate black communities was effectively dead.

    By the 50’s, as America was bracing finally to confront its racist legacy, the gritty capitalism Washington had promoted was seen by blacks as a discredited failure at best, an “Uncle Tom” sell-out at worst. As Dr. King’s effort’s bore fruit and African-Americans began at last to have genuine economic opportunities thrown open to them, there was little enthusiasm to embrace it. Blacks who had successfully fought to open up economic opportunities focused their continuing efforts on government social programs and poverty relief, reflecting the ascension of DuBois’ approach over the perceived failures of Booker T. Washington.

    This emphasis created an opening for Democrats which they successfully exploited. The drift of blacks away from the Republican Party was capped by our often cynical efforts to recruit disillusioned racist Democrats in the South.

    What does this mean for Republicans? In spite of the failures of the Great Society era and with little help from Republicans, there is a vibrant, secure black middle class emerging for the first time in America. The growth of black prosperity will be key to the country’s future, but it depends heavily on leaving behind a vision of government dependence with deep, justified roots.

    We need to recognize this history to understand its impact on our future. Until a generation ago, accumulating capital across generations, so critical to climbing the ladder in America, was a complete fantasy for blacks in the South. They could reasonably expect that whatever wasn’t spent or hidden would be taken. This reality has left blacks with a starting point in terms of wealth, capital, and connections far behind whites or even other minorities. They are well aware of this problem even if most whites, Republican or Democrat, are not.

    In addition it would serve us well as a Party to understand the difference between traditional black and white understandings of government power. For whites who look to European history as their guide, government is a necessary evil to be treated with great care. Its growth should be managed in order to prevent it becoming an interest to itself; capable of crushing personal liberty and economic freedom.

    Blacks’ experience with government power is almost a polar opposite of whites’. When central government has been weak, they have suffered. This suffering is not merely relative, but has left them vulnerable to random acts of violence, humiliation, and looting. They have good reason to see government power as protection and to be suspicious of white efforts to weaken it.


    A healthy Republican Party, with its crazy-dial turned down from its current red-line, could have a lot to offer African-Americans. But realizing the potential for black involvement in the Party will require us to better understand our own history. We can do this if have the humility and commitment to confront some unpleasant realities. The GOP cannot hope to remain relevant if it becomes a white religious club. Expanding our appeal is a moral and political imperative that can succeed if we have the will.
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    • That is very relevant. Of course, it is instructive to remember Jim Crow was still in place 50 years ago. Ie, people who are alive still remember it. And it was ended when the federal government tolds the states to get in line. So that colors your view of federal government power.
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      • Yeah, it was eye opening to go to a traditional african american church in Newport News Virginia and realize how huge of a factor racism was in the people's lives (strongest in the older generations, of course).

        JM
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        • Was the Black situation as bad as described in the article?

          Like a successful Black would buy stocks and his titles would be burnt or stolen?
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          • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
            Was the Black situation as bad as described in the article?

            Like a successful Black would buy stocks and his titles would be burnt or stolen?
            Not necessarily but he had no legal recourse if they were. Could he successfully sue or bring criminal charges against a white person? Doubtful in most Southern jurisdictions.

            There were incidents like this as well:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

            At around 1 a.m., the white mob began setting fires, mainly to businesses on commercial Archer Street at the edge of the Greenwood district. As crews from the Tulsa Fire Department arrived to put out fires, they were turned away at gunpoint. By 4 a.m., an estimated two-dozen black-owned businesses had been set ablaze.
            Numerous accounts described airplanes carrying white assailants firing rifles and dropping firebombs on buildings, homes, and fleeing families. The planes, six biplane two-seater trainers left over from World War I, were dispatched from the nearby Curtiss-Southwest Field (now defunct) outside of Tulsa.[9] White law enforcement officials later claimed the sole purpose of the planes was to provide reconnaissance and protect whites against what they described as a "Negro uprising."[9] However, eyewitness accounts and testimony from the survivors confirmed that on the morning of June 1, the planes dropped incendiary bombs and fired rifles at black Tulsans on the ground.[9]
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            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • If it's racism and lack of federal power that prevents Black people from flourishing, can you explain Washington, DC?
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              • There are many factors.

                Lack of social mobility (in general) is probably the biggest one currently.

                JM
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                • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  If it's racism and lack of federal power that prevents Black people from flourishing, can you explain Washington, DC?
                  We're talking historically here. Historical conditions that colored mindsets.

                  These two paragraphs are instructive:

                  In addition it would serve us well as a Party to understand the difference between traditional black and white understandings of government power. For whites who look to European history as their guide, government is a necessary evil to be treated with great care. Its growth should be managed in order to prevent it becoming an interest to itself; capable of crushing personal liberty and economic freedom.

                  Blacks’ experience with government power is almost a polar opposite of whites’. When central government has been weak, they have suffered. This suffering is not merely relative, but has left them vulnerable to random acts of violence, humiliation, and looting. They have good reason to see government power as protection and to be suspicious of white efforts to weaken it.
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    If it's racism and lack of federal power that prevents Black people from flourishing, can you explain Washington, DC?
                    Nice straw man! I don't recall anyone claiming that lack of federal intervention against racism was the sole cause of high poverty rates among blacks.

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                    • I don't think it's correlated at all (with the exception of things like the Voting Rights Act). I also don't think it's a strawman, it was a key point in the argument...
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                      • As for Washington DC. It was ****ed by crack. Crime rates exploded in 1988. Police first reported crack in DC in 1987.

                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          I don't think it's correlated at all (with the exception of things like the Voting Rights Act). I also don't think it's a strawman, it was a key point in the argument...
                          How much variation in federal intervention against institutional racism do you think currently exists? How would you establish a correlation or lack of one?

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                          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            I don't think it's correlated at all (with the exception of things like the Voting Rights Act). I also don't think it's a strawman, it was a key point in the argument...
                            It doesn't matter.

                            The point of the article from hiphoprepublican.com (I like that name ) is not that any such relationship exists currently. It did exist 40+ years ago, however, and that was enough to color mindsets. The WEB DuBois paradigm continues to color the perceptions of most Black voters today because of that experience.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • Not necessarily but he had no legal recourse if they were. Could he successfully sue or bring criminal charges against a white person? Doubtful in most Southern jurisdictions.
                              Cite? Black litigants seemed to pretty well in higher state courts in the Jim Crow and Reconstruction era. Not saying there wasn't discrimination, but I don't think it was bad as you think.

                              Even as they lost a number of high profile suits dealing with racial discrimination, they frequently won seemingly prosaic civil suits over transactions, wills, and property. Indeed, I found that black litigants won the majority of civil cases litigated against white southerners in higher state courts – not only during Reconstruction, but, astonishingly, during the post-Reconstruction and Jim Crow eras as well. Through such cases, African Americans continued to exercise the legal rights gained during Reconstruction long after that revolutionary moment had ended. . . . As these examples illustrate, black litigants not only brought civil cases against white southerners in the highest level of southern courts throughout the period of 1865 to 1920, they often won these cases. Between 1865 and 1920, I found that black southerners won the majority of civil cases against white litigants in the highest courts of eight southern states during Reconstruction. More surprising, black southerners’ continued to win most of their cases between 1880 and 1920 despite the onset of segregation and Jim Crow laws. Black litigants won in higher court civil cases between 1900 and 1920 at roughly the same rate as in the earlier years immediately after the Civil Wa
                              http://www.blackpast.org/?q=perspectives/slave-litigant-african-americans-court-post-civil-war-south
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                              • The issue was lower. At least it was a big issue at the police level.

                                JM
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                                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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