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  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post


    The West Bank wall has dramatically reduced terrorism. Blockades have dramatically reduced terrorism. The idea that there are only a "few" terrorists in Palestine is a pretty retarded underestimation of the problem.
    You need to learn more about the ANC and other South African resistance groups.

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    • Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
      This went from "troll" to "beatdown" a long time ago, when it became clear that you have no justification for decrying Israeli crimes but not your own country's far more serious ones. I'm just piling on now.
      I didn't know you had to explicitly denounce various crimes committed by your country a hundred years ago before you could voice an opinion on what some other country is doing in the present.

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      • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
        Drake, don't forget that WWII itself was Britain's fault.
        A classic.

        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        I didn't know you had to explicitly denounce various crimes committed by your country a hundred years ago before you could voice an opinion on what some other country is doing in the present.
        If you want to denounce others for their evil land grabs, you really do need to be willing to denounce your own country's land grabs (and support giving said land back) when called on them.

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        • Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
          This went from "troll" to "beatdown" a long time ago, when it became clear that you have no justification for decrying Israeli crimes but not your own country's far more serious ones. I'm just piling on now.
          :yawn: same old drake. makes a low quality troll, can't generate the response he wants, cries, declares victory.

          you're like aahz only less intelligent and witty.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
            You need to learn more about the ANC and other South African resistance groups.
            And you need to learn more about the realities of Israel. The Arabs simply DON'T WANT TO COEXIST WITH JEWS. They have made this absolutely abundantly clear, especially with Fatah's recent agreement with Hamas, which has it literally IN THEIR CHARTER to "kill Jews wherever they may be found".

            We are essentially dealing with Nazis here, who want to bring about the second holocaust because they don't believe the first one ever even happened.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
            ){ :|:& };:

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            • You know, it's funny that somehow several million people are all of one mind about this and all deserve to be made third-class citizens.

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              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post

                We are essentially dealing with Nazis here, who want to bring about the second holocaust because they don't believe the first one ever even happened.


                dude, you need a reality check.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • It would be nice if Israel were able to distinguish between the Palestinians willing to accept peace and the Palestinians who just want to blow up Jewish schoolkids, but they've tried that and faced the threat of complete annihilation for it. Hence, the wall and blockade.
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                  ){ :|:& };:

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                  • Just like the whites in South Africa, again - all those darkies look the same, ya know?

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                    • Even worse, some of them were communist!

                      Honestly, I would be shocked if an HC born 30 years earlier wouldn't have supported apartheid.

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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        And you need to learn more about the realities of Israel. The Arabs simply DON'T WANT TO COEXIST WITH JEWS. They have made this absolutely abundantly clear, especially with Fatah's recent agreement with Hamas, which has it literally IN THEIR CHARTER to "kill Jews wherever they may be found".
                        Just wondering, could you offer a citation of the Hamas charter saying "kill Jews wherever they may be found."?

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                        • Lots of crazy **** in the Hamas Charter...

                          The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!


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                          • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                            Just wondering, could you offer a citation of the Hamas charter saying "kill Jews wherever they may be found."?
                            Article Seven: The Universality of Hamas
                            By virtue of the distribution of Muslims, who pursue the cause of the Hamas, all over the globe, and strive for its victory, for the reinforcement of its positions and for the encouragement of its Jihad, the Movement is a universal one. It is apt to be that due to the clarity of its thinking, the nobility of its purpose and the loftiness of its objectives. It is in this light that the Movement has to be regarded, evaluated and acknowledged. Whoever denigrates its worth, or avoids supporting it, or is so blind as to dismiss its role, is challenging Fate itself. Whoever closes his eyes from seeing the facts, whether intentionally or not, will wake up to find himself overtaken by events, and will find no excuses to justify his position. Priority is reserved to the early comers. Oppressing those who are closest to you, is more of an agony to the soul than the impact of an Indian sword. “And unto thee have we revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which has come unto thee. For each we have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed, He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which he has given you [He has made you as you are]. So vie with one another in good works. Unto Allah, you will all return. He will then inform you of that wherein you differ.” Hamas is one of the links in the Chain of Jihad in the confrontation with the Zionist invasion. It links up with the setting out of the Martyr Izz a-din al-Qassam and his brothers in the Muslim Brotherhood who fought the Holy War in 1936; it further relates to another link of the Palestinian Jihad and the Jihad and efforts of the Muslim Brothers during the 1948 War, and to the Jihad operations of the Muslim Brothers in 1968 and thereafter. But even if the links have become distant from each other, and even if the obstacles erected by those who revolve in the Zionist orbit, aiming at obstructing the road before the Jihad fighters, have rendered the pursuance of Jihad impossible; nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).
                            Source: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html

                            Alternative translation of the final paragraphs:
                            "Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

                            "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).
                            "
                            Source:
                            http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm
                            "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                            • Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                              Lots of crazy **** in the Hamas Charter...

                              The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!


                              http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www....s/charter.html
                              In other words, HC's quote wasn't an actual quote.

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                              • He was using the term 'literally' figuratively, of course.

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