A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Lord Avalon]

No, Flubber has a point. After all, these Lords assert their dominion because they were the eldest son. Imagine if they put into their families' heads that someone other than the eldest son can have a valid claim. Would be dangerous.

First of all, we're not really talking legitimate succession - few people know the truth, and the Lannisters certainly aren't going to go public and give up their support of Joffrey "Baratheon" and let Stannis take the throne. So it's a rebellion. And secondly, Robert Baratheon took the throne from the Targaryens, who took it from whoever had it before. So the idea is already out there that might trumps valid claim.

[Flubber]

Flubber, I disagree. There are very few who follow the straight and narrow path like Ned and Stannis, to whom the next-in-line claim has actual meaning. For the others, who really don't know the truth, Stannis is what, third in line? If you're supporting a rebel in the Game of Thrones, then the one who has the most power has the "best claim," and that appeared to be Renly.

It seems this was male line only so the apparent succession would be Joffrey, his brother and then Stannis, followed by Renly


But the eldest stuff seems to be followed-- Sam Tarly was forced to take the black so he wouldn't be available to inherit--IT seems his dad couldn't just choose a younger son
Croppled Bram rules as a lord despite his infirmity-- there is no thought that his able-bodied younger brother take over


I realize if you rebel, you can ignore all the old stuff and say "I am king because I have the largest army"-- But here the "rebels" chose a guy that was 4th in line as it stood and 2nd in line on the argument that Joffry is a bastard Lannister. To me that remains an odd choice for rebels, particularly since it split the anti-Lannister forces

[OzzyKP]

Technically I think the only people that know for sure are Jamie and cersei with a large cast of people that suspect-- Joffrey himself may be ignorant of his true father.

One notable thing about last night's episode is that both Jamie and Cersei came clean about their affair. Cersei admitted it to Tyrian and Jamie to Lady Stark and the 50 foot woman.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, Flubber has a point. After all, these Lords assert their dominion because they were the eldest son. Imagine if they put into their families' heads that someone other than the eldest son can have a valid claim. Would be dangerous.

[Lord Avalon]

Flubber, I disagree. There are very few who follow the straight and narrow path like Ned and Stannis, to whom the next-in-line claim has actual meaning. For the others, who really don't know the truth, Stannis is what, third in line? If you're supporting a rebel in the Game of Thrones, then the one who has the most power has the "best claim," and that appeared to be Renly.

[Flubber]

As far as Stannis having better claim to the throne, which of the houses, Lannister aside, knows the truth, besides him? .

If its not anyone that Cersei bore, then its Stannis. THat would be the succession.

Technically I think the only people that know for sure are Jamie and cersei with a large cast of people that suspect-- Joffrey himself may be ignorant of his true father.

If you're going to rebel, and you don't really know the veracity of the allegation against Joffrey, who are you going to follow: Stannis, who has the charisma of a block of wood, or his younger brother, who's more like the former king than Stannis is? .

Obviously they chose Renly (before they were forced back to Stannis) but I still find this a bit uncharacteristic. Almost every lord will themselves be the eldest and just adopting the younger if you like them better might strike a little too close to home for most

[Supr49er]

You know nothing Jon Snow.

Ygritte is awesomely cast.

[Flubber]

I think the issue is that Snow's story is so internal, at least at the beginning. It's harder to work around that than even the missing battles and dragons in a way. But Ygritte (who I agree, was cast fantastically) is giving the character somebody to play off of that he hasn't had since Tyrion left the Wall. Jon has either been an underling or a lordling to everybody in the Watch, he hasn't had anybody that challenges him as an equal to interact with.

You know NOTHING Jon Snow

I also like this casting-- Ygritte is very true to the book

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I think the issue is that Snow's story is so internal, at least at the beginning. It's harder to work around that than even the missing battles and dragons in a way. But Ygritte (who I agree, was cast fantastically) is giving the character somebody to play off of that he hasn't had since Tyrion left the Wall. Jon has either been an underling or a lordling to everybody in the Watch, he hasn't had anybody that challenges him as an equal to interact with.

[OzzyKP]

Did Ricon and Bran die? (I doubt it)

Oh yea, there were two orphan boys at the farm. RIP poor charred tree climbing orphan boys.

[OzzyKP]

I mean, I like the guy. He is one of the few good, honest people in the show (though a bit dumb sometimes). I just feel like everything he does is dreadfully boring.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I've heard similar from show watchers. I think they are just kind of ****ing up Jon Snow's story. There is a reason he is considered one of the favorite characters for book readers.

[OzzyKP]

Maybe its just me, but I haven't cared one bit about the night watch or anything happening north of the wall. The whole thing is rather boring imho. I assume next episode we'll get to see a bit of the wildlings camp, maybe that'll be a bit more interesting, but so far...

[Guynemer]

I think they hit the jackpot in casting Ygritte. That actress really nailed it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Its funny, because in the books Jon's POV chapters were some of the most fun to read. Esp when him and Quoren go up to scout the Wildlings.