A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[MikeH]

Can we please get a mod over here to move the OT discussion elsewhere?

This is totally ON topic. Winter is or is not coming.

[MikeH]

Regexcellent is quite right to point out that you reap what you sow. If you're going to use Haiyan as evidence for global warming then you can't complain that others use this freeze as a refutation.

The evidence for global warming lies in averages, not individual events.

See my previous post. Neither are "caused" by global warming but both events are "affected" by global warming. To suggest that Haiyan was influenced by global warming isn't wrong, though it's reasonable to debate how much affect it had, but to suggest that this freeze is a refutation is completely and utterly incorrect.


Also, in general, being wrong about something doesn't mean you can't tell someone else they are wrong about another thing, that's not logical.

But yes, evidence is in averages. To suggest an event is or isn't caused by global warming is wrong thinking. As I said before all weather systems are occurring in a warmer (therefore more energetic) and wetter atmosphere, so all weather events are inevitably affected.

[DinoDoc]

Ugh, now we know that Mr Fun isn't the only one who can't wait to post Facebook memes on Poly

MOBIUS begged for that one.

[Dinner]

Do you practice at stupid statements or is it a natural talent?

That's funny given that you're the one who is wrong in this case.

[Dauphin]

That's funny given that you're the one who is wrong in this case.

What's funny is that my comment was directed at reg.

[regexcellent]

The Al Gore thing was just a glib remark. I don't seriously think the local weather I experience has jack **** to do with global warming. Using local weather as "evidence" leads to a lot of disgusting circular reasoning.

However, the weather here does make me wish global warming would happen faster

[rah]

When does the new season start?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Likely March, if it airs like the previous seasons.

[DinoDoc]

How soon before the TV show is forced to write their own material?

[rah]

Likely March, if it airs like the previous seasons.

That's what I was thinking but I hadn't seen anything yet. Thanks.

[Dinner]

What's funny is that my comment was directed at reg.

Ahh, ok, please disregard my previous post.

[Colon™]

See my previous post. Neither are "caused" by global warming but both events are "affected" by global warming. To suggest that Haiyan was influenced by global warming isn't wrong, though it's reasonable to debate how much affect it had, but to suggest that this freeze is a refutation is completely and utterly incorrect.


Also, in general, being wrong about something doesn't mean you can't tell someone else they are wrong about another thing, that's not logical.

But yes, evidence is in averages. To suggest an event is or isn't caused by global warming is wrong thinking. As I said before all weather systems are occurring in a warmer (therefore more energetic) and wetter atmosphere, so all weather events are inevitably affected.

You're missing the point. You can't link an individual event and its severity to global warming since there's just no way of knowing whether it'd happened without global warming, but this is exactly what a lot of people are doing. And by doing that they give room for detractors of global warming to also use individual events (that at least have the appearance of refuting global warming), or the lack of events, to deny global warming. Shouting "Haiyan is because of global warming" degrades the quality of the debate to a level where deniers are on firmer foot, as weather is highly irregular regionally and in the short term. The Atlantic hurricane season was the quietest since 1950, for instance.

[Robert]

How soon before the TV show is forced to write their own material?

There are some good indicators out there that Winds of Winter will be released in 2014.
A good friend of George R.R. Martin has said (most probably by accident) that George had one new episode almost finished.
He has also cleared up his schedule for the next coming months.
There is more.

So let's go with the 2014 release for Winds of Winter, and then a 2017 release for Dream of Spring (same 3 year gap)
Then we have:
2014: Season 4: Book 3b / Book 6 released
2015: Season 5: Book 4/5
2016: Season 6: Book 6
2017: Season 7: Book 7 / Book 7 released

If HBO decides to split Book 4/5 somehow into 2 seasons (2015 book 4a/5a, 2016 book 4b/5b) then we're certainly safe. It's also possible that book 6 needs 2 seasons, or book 4/5/6 need 3 seasons in total.

If the rumors are true, and Winds is indeed released in 2014 and Martin can manage the release the last book in 2017, then we're looking at a photo finish between book and series. (And of course Martin can then already spill the beans to HBO while writing, so that the last season is in line with the book)

I absolutely certainly hope to finish the books for the series.
I doubt that it'll be possible to not spoil myself while waiting for the books while the series are already finished....

[Nikolai]

Next season starts on my birthday April 6th

[self biased]

2015: Season 5: Book 4/5

so you're thinking they're going to condense about two thousand pages into a single season, when they split book 3 into two seasons?

are you high? i get that they might 'combine' books four and five, but that's... at least three seasons worth of material, minimum.