A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, in the books, Joffery is slightly less a monster and a lot of what he does is to gain approval by Robert (until his death, obviously) and Cersei.

edit: as Reg says, this really isn't spoilers since the books seemingly changed it dramatically (or at the very least isn't interested in answering the question).

[Guynemer]

In the show, Joff had the bastards killed. In the books, it was Cersei.

The reason an assassin came at Bran when he was crippled:

Spoiler:

Joff overheard his supposed "father" Robert say something about how that was no way to live, so he did it in an attempt to gain favor with Robert.

[Hauldren Collider]

Bran and Hodor Go To Wight Castle
Bran and Hodor Escape from Craster's Keep

[regexcellent]

Jesus Christ Oerdin. Cersei had the bastards killed because they were a threat to her son's reign, since they could be used to demonstrate that the kid was an incest baby.

edit: Oh, ****, did they change that for the show? Huh.

[Dinner]

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/64567-book-spoilers-joffrey-ordering-the-killing-of-roberts-bastards/

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OIAW

“You might be disappointed by the result,” Varys replied. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling. Might I trouble you for a taste of the wine that Lord Slynt enjoyed so much?”

Tyrion waved at the flagon, frowning. Varys filled a cup. “Ah. Sweet as summer.” He took another sip. “I hear the grapes singing on my tongue.”

“I wondered what that noise was. Tell the grapes to keep still, my head is about to split. It was my sister. That was what the oh-so-loyal Lord Janos refused to say. Cersei sent the gold cloaks to that brothel.”

Varys tittered nervously. So he had known all along.

“You left that part out,” Tyrion said accusingly.

“Your own sweet sister,” Varys said, so grief-stricken he looked close to tears. “It is a hard thing to tell a man, my lord. I was fearful how you might take it. Can you forgive me?”

[Dinner]

Cersei had them killed. Joffrey was just a rich spoiled psychopath.

Nope. Joff had them killed. It is explicit in the books.

[self biased]

[Felch]

Cersei had them killed. Joffrey was just a rich spoiled psychopath.

[Dinner]

No. Joffrey died believing his father was Robert.

Want to bet? Why do you suppose Joffrey had all of Robert's bastards killed? Why do you think he needled his mother on that point?

[OzzyKP]

So Sersi was all "Joffrey darling, Bran caught your uncle and I screwing in the tower, can you clean up any loose ends for mommy?" Why would Sersi share this information with him instead of just taking care of it herself?

Joffery, at least as presented in the show, hasn't been terribly involved in all the scheming, he is just a cruel bully. It seems too sophisticated a move for him, especially that early.

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No. Joffrey died believing his father was Robert.

[Dinner]

Spoiler:

No, Joffrey ordered the botched assassination attempt and gave the would-be assassin his father's valyrian steel blade to do it with.

These aren't really spoilers, we're past the point in the show where any of this matters.

To do it with and as payment. He knew Robert didn't care about little things like that and would never miss the dagger. He wanted Bran killed because...

Spoiler:

He knew Bran knew his "dad" wasn't really his father and instead his uncle was so he wanted Bran silenced so the secret wouldn't get out and Joffery would stay heir to the throne.

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Spoiler:

No, Joffrey ordered the botched assassination attempt and gave the would-be assassin his father's valyrian steel blade to do it with.

These aren't really spoilers, we're past the point in the show where any of this matters.

[OzzyKP]

Spoiler:

So he just accidentally gave it to the guy who ended up being the assassin? He wasn't in on the plot though, right? Cause that sounds a bit far fetched.