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  • Should I lever up?

    My broker's margin rates are 3%, which seems too low to not take advantage of. I'm already 100% in equities; should I make it 200%?
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  • #2
    What kind of question is this? It all depends on your risk tolerance and where your stops are.

    I guess this is another "Look at me!" thread from you

    And Interactivebrokers.com offers 1.67% margin rate
    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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    • #3
      Playing with fire...

      I'd do it, but I don't have a family to think about, so I'm all about risk.
      Can't say whether it's prudent... what kind of portfolio?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
        What kind of question is this? It all depends on your risk tolerance and where your stops are.

        I guess this is another "Look at me!" thread from you

        And Interactivebrokers.com offers 1.67% margin rate
        As I'm looking for advice from people who know something about finance, please be quiet. Also, IB having lower rates doesn't help me, ******.
        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
        Stadtluft Macht Frei
        Killing it is the new killing it
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        • #5
          Originally posted by VetLegion View Post
          Playing with fire...

          I'd do it, but I don't have a family to think about, so I'm all about risk.
          Can't say whether it's prudent... what kind of portfolio?
          100% equities, all index etfs. 1/6 small cap US, 1/3 large cap US, 1/3 emerging markets, 1/6 Canadian large caps

          Size is what I managed to save in taxable accounts in one year (~50% of net pay)
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
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          • #6
            Initial margin 50% maintenance margin 35%, btw
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            • #7
              Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
              As I'm looking for advice from people who know something about finance, please be quiet. Also, IB having lower rates doesn't help me, ******.
              It puts your 3% margin rate in perspective, sweetie.
              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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              • #8
                Some guy that is on my ignore list is asking something about margin. I have infinite margin. Rarely use it. Don't feel the need to say more.

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                • #9
                  No, it doesn't. The relevant comparison is to the distribution of returns on equities, not some rate I am unable to use. Now go away.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
                  Ultima Ratio Regum

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                  • #10
                    Current investing theory

                    Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                    It puts your 3% margin rate in perspective, sweetie.
                    says you should margin up as much as possible if you are under 30, and start de-leveraging until you are at 0 margin by the time you are 40.
                    “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                    ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                      No, it doesn't. The relevant comparison is to the distribution of returns on equities, not some rate I am unable to use. Now go away.
                      You wrote "My broker's margin rates are 3%, which seems too low to not take advantage of". This seems to mean to me at least that the low rates are predicating your interest in using margin.

                      I pointed out you can get better rates with another broker... 3% is not unusually low, especially considering where rates in general are now. You'd also probably be better off switching brokers if using margin was of significant import to you.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • #12
                        Anyway this is such a fundamentally personal question that you asking people on Apolyton about it makes no ****ing sense. Just another "Look at me!" thread
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pchang View Post
                          says you should margin up as much as possible if you are under 30, and start de-leveraging until you are at 0 margin by the time you are 40.
                          I am 31, but my earnings period starts later and ends earlier than the average.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                            You wrote "My broker's margin rates are 3%, which seems too low to not take advantage of". This seems to mean to me at least that the low rates are predicating your interest in using margin.
                            ******, how many times do I have to explain: the comparison is between 3% and equities.

                            pointed out you can get better rates with another broker... 3% is not unusually low, especially considering where rates in general are now. You'd also probably be better off switching brokers if using margin was of significant import to you.


                            Read post 9 again, ******.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              And yet 3% is so low you have to take advantage of it.... you make a lot of sense, KH
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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