CanPol: May(?) 2011 Election. Vote today!

[Fake Boris]

Canadians go berzerk when we mention that a sovereign Quebec would hold on to its international obligations as much as possible and actually not become a rogue state. Do you think that the New England states doing business with Quebec want us out of NAFTA?

[notyoueither]

I'm not sure if this election is worthy of this thread, or this thread is worthy of this election, or both.

[Asher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francization

The Government of Quebec has francization policies intended to establish French as the primary language of business and commerce. All businesses are required to provide written communications and schedules in French, and may not make knowledge of a language other than French a condition of hiring unless this is justified by the nature of the duties. Businesses with more than fifty employees are required to register with the Quebec Office of the French language in order to become eligible for a francization certificate, which is granted if the linguistic requirements are met. If not, employers are required to adopt a francization programme, which includes having employees, especially ones in managerial positions, who do not speak French or whose grasp of French is weak attend French-language training.[5]

I'm the one that's lying. Right.

[Fake Boris]

There's much more to it than that, especially for businesses. I'm sure you know this but don't want to admit it here...

This program you are referring to is not compulsory.

IIRC Wal-Mart adhered to it. Displaying the certificate behind the counter is a plus to their image.

[Fake Boris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francization



I'm the one that's lying. Right.

You are correct that on paper some requirements are strict.

In practice there is little enforcement of the rules and a lot of elasticity on the interpretation.

The preamble to the program states that it relies "on the goodwill and collaboration of businesses".

[Thoth]

That's why they must speak in French. So we don't know what they're doing.

That makes it fair I suppose. The average Qwebeker doesn't know what he's doing so why should the rest of us know what he's doing?.

GTFFO.

[Asher]

Why the **** are you telling me "in practice there's not" when I'm telling you "in practice there is"?

YPG is based in Quebec and I had to deal with all kinds of Francophone-related bull****. Don't tell me I didn't.

They were actively culling Anglophones by the time I left under new, Francophone management as well. Closing down the Toronto offices and opening new Montreal ones, all with French requirements for no particular reason.

[Fake Boris]

I am surprised that you got any trouble for this.

The rules clearly state that there is an exception when your work requires English.

I don't see how the government of Quebec would have any jurisdiction over you if you were working from Toronto.

[Thoth]

Why the **** are you telling me "in practice there's not" when I'm telling you "in practice there is"?

Hypocrisy and ignorance are the norm on the wrong side of the Ottawa river. Get used to it or tell them to GTFO.

[Fake Boris]

I'm not sure if this election is worthy of this thread, or this thread is worthy of this election, or both.

I am seriously considering not voting.

[Asher]

I am surprised that you got any trouble for this.

The rules clearly state that there is an exception when your work requires English.

I don't see how the government of Quebec would have any jurisdiction over you if you were working from Toronto.

The corporate HQ was in Montreal and my manager was in Montreal.

[Asher]

My experience in dealing with Francophones was awful.

During conference calls, the Quebeckers would giggle and gossip in French randomly knowing full well many of us didn't speak French. But they all spoke fluent English and didn't use it... Very disrespectful all around.

Corporate memos to the Toronto office would have french up top, and English buried at the bottom.

[Fake Boris]

Why the **** are you telling me "in practice there's not" when I'm telling you "in practice there is"?

YPG is based in Quebec and I had to deal with all kinds of Francophone-related bull****. Don't tell me I didn't.

They were actively culling Anglophones by the time I left under new, Francophone management as well. Closing down the Toronto offices and opening new Montreal ones, all with French requirements for no particular reason.

I feel no sympathy for you here. If you're going to be a manager in Montreal, learn French. I don't think that a Montreal firm relocating to Toronto would keep unilingual French employees...

[Asher]

I feel no sympathy for you here. If you're going to be a manager in Montreal, learn French. I don't think that a Montreal firm relocating to Toronto would keep unilingual French employees...

I was not a manager in Montreal.
My manager in Montreal was a Francophone.

I lived in Toronto.

[Fake Boris]

My experience in dealing with Francophones was awful.

During conference calls, the Quebeckers would giggle and gossip in French randomly knowing full well many of us didn't speak French. But they all spoke fluent English and didn't use it... Very disrespectful all around.

That sounds unprofessional to me, though the people involved are more to blame than the law itself it seems.

EDIT: I thought you said they were "culling" anglophones. That would be normal if the company's new structure involves regular communication in French...