Healthcare Troll Thread

[BlackCat]

Being fat is a decision, not a disease.

BS. That's not a decision - only few makes the decision "I want to be fat" - it's a "way of life".

[Al B. Sure!]

BS. That's not a decision - only few makes the decision "I want to be fat" - it's a "way of life".

BS. Excepting for a few issues like thyroid problems, obesity is from eating too much crap and doing too little.

[BlackCat]

BS. Excepting for a few issues like thyroid problems, obesity is from eating too much crap and doing too little.

Yeah, but you don't do that to become fat. It's "way of life".

[Al B. Sure!]

Yeah, but you don't do that to become fat. It's "way of life".

Huh? You decide to do everything you do.

[BlackCat]

Huh? You decide to do everything you do.

Al, you are more dense than usual. The american way of life may be to eat more than you need, but that isn't because you want to become fat, just that you want to eat unnecessary.

Well, I might be wrong - is the secret dream for americans that they get obese as quickly as possible ?

[Al B. Sure!]

Al, you are more dense than usual. The american way of life may be to eat more than you need, but that isn't because you want to become fat, just that you want to eat unnecessary.

Well, I might be wrong - is the secret dream for americans that they get obese as quickly as possible ?

Eating crap food and lots of it is a decision. Are you saying you think in America people are forced to eat this stuff?

[Aeson]

Now that Cap'n Crunch is no longer being marketed to kids, I expect this discrepancy will correct itself naturally.

[Egbert]

I think Blacky's trying to say that some people are fat as a byproduct of eating too much junk. They are not choosing to be fat, the fatness is a consequence of the eating habits. (Or maybe I am more dense than usual and have misunderstood the above post). Anyway I agree with Blackcat.

Some people are fat because of some sort of genetics thingy. (Umh, yeah, I'm not a geneticist).

[Al B. Sure!]

I think Blacky's trying to say that some people are fat as a byproduct of eating too much junk. They are not choosing to be fat, the fatness is a consequence of the eating habits. (Or maybe I am more dense than usual and have misunderstood the above post). Anyway I agree with Blackcat.

Some people are fat because of some sort of genetics thingy. (Umh, yeah, I'm not a geneticist).

So we remove personal responsibility with regards to one's eating habits?

Okay, granted, a life-time of bad eating can start in youth where one doesn't have control over one's diet, but adults chose to eat Tastykakes, cheesesteaks, Herr's potato chips, and Frank's soda while sitting on their asses

[Egbert]

So we remove personal responsibility with regards to one's eating habits?

No. If one wishes to stuff one's face with cream buns then one may expect to get fat. One chose the cream bun, not the fatness. The fatness would, in such a case be one's own fault even though one did not choose to grow fat.

(Umh, reminds of a very obese girl I once met who was complaining about being overweight. She was eating a large cream bun, in a gorging and gormandising manner, as she was voicing her complaints).

[Al B. Sure!]

No. If one wishes to stuff one's face with cream buns then one may expect to get fat. One chose the cream bun, not the fatness. The fatness would, in such a case be one's own fault even though one did not choose to grow fat.

(Umh, reminds of a very obese girl I once met who was complaining about being overweight. She was eating a large cream bun, in a gorging and gormandising manner, as she was voicing her complaints).

So mental retardation is the problem?

I don't see how it's possible that anyone today could not know that that **** is bad for you and makes you fat.

[Egbert]

No. Giving in to temptation mostly, methinks.

[Al B. Sure!]

No. Giving in to temptation mostly, methinks.

Is that not an action? Is that not a decision?

Decisions have consequences. Let's say I punch a cop in the back of the head. He proceeds to beat the **** out of me with his nightstick and arrest me. Can I say it was not my decision to get beat down and thrown in prison?

How the hell can someone decide to eat terrible **** that they know will make them fat, get fat, then you lot claim they didn't make that decision?

Now there are foods that are commonly believed to be healthy that are actually not and foods that are mis-marketed as being healthy when they actually are not. But that's a side issue and a smaller point.

[Egbert]

Please distinguish between choices and the consequences of those choices and you will see what I mean.

Using your example, if you choose to punch a cop the consequences are that you are likely to thrown in the clink and may get a thump with the nightstick. You didn't choose the thump or the jailhouse but you did choose a decision with those likely consequences. The decision to thump the copper is the key point. Why did you do that? The jailing is then not your decision.

There are a whole range of reasons why people might eat in a way that leads to obesity. Not necessarily all due to weakness of will or stupidity or ignorance.

[Aeson]

I can eat twinkies and pudding, and pudding covered twinkies, and sit around all day... and never gain weight. Don't discount genetics... or tape worms (I don't think i actually have any, but who knows?) ... it's powerful stuff.