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    People living in England enjoy better health than Americans, despite less investment in healthcare, research reveals.


    England 'healthier than the US'
    By Michelle Roberts
    Health reporter, BBC News

    Across all ages, US residents tend to fare worse in terms of diabetes, high cholesterol and heart disease markers, data on over 100,000 people show.

    The reason remains a mystery, says the US team, and challenges the idea that resources necessarily improve health.

    It may be due to the UK's bigger drive on disease prevention, they say.

    Transatlantic health gap
    Despite the greater use of health care technology in the US, Americans receive less preventive health care than their English counterparts.

    They have fewer physician consultations per year.

    Acute hospital visits are also shorter in the US, potentially resulting in missed opportunities for follow-up, say the report authors in the American Journal of Epidemiology.

    It is also possible that differences in social or environmental conditions or lifestyle play a role.

    But despite looking, the researchers did not find any real evidence that differences in obesity, alcohol consumption or physical activity were to blame.

    Smoking may be a factor, but Dr Melissa Martinson and colleagues doubt it because even younger Americans who have not yet been exposed to decades of tobacco smoke appear to be in worse health than English counterparts.

    And although a larger share of Americans are uninsured or under insured compared to populations in England or other European countries, even groups with good access to health insurance experienced worse health than people in England.

    The researchers say: "Why health status differs so dramatically in these two countries, which share much in terms of history and culture, is an unresolved puzzle.

    "Given our finding of health differences between the US and England at young ages, a promising focus of future research - one that could help to elucidate the causes of poor health across the life course - is on health differences between countries at the earliest ages."

    Public health experts suggested more generous holiday entitlements and more favourable working conditions in the UK might also play a part.

    A spokesperson from the Department of Health said: "The NHS offers care free to all at the point of use and based on need.

    "Whilst in some areas our outcomes may be favourable compared with those in the US, we are still clear that we have a long way to go before we achieve outcomes comparable with the best performing health systems.

    "That is exactly why we are modernising the NHS."
    What a horrible mess the US healthcare system is? Obama save us!
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  • #2
    Canadians are also healthier with longer lifespans.

    The knee-jerk US reaction is "but we have more blacks / mexicans!"
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    • #3
      But despite looking, the researchers did not find any real evidence that differences in obesity, alcohol consumption or physical activity were to blame.
      Just to make sure HC, Dinodoc, etc. don't miss this part

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      • #4
        Yeah but you see our deficit, can we afford healthcare?
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        • #5
          With our deficit, we can't not afford healthcare.
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          • #6
            Score worse on diabetes and heart disease...so we're fatter than britain. Sorry, but spending more on healthcare isn't going to fix lazy people.
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            • #7
              Actually preventative care has a correlation with healthy weights. Google it.

              Regular trips to the doctor for physicals, etc. result in better cardiovascular health and controlled weights.
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              • #8
                Being fat is a decision, not a disease.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Being fat is a decision, not a disease.
                  While true in the majority of cases, not always so.

                  Even then, this isn't the point. While it is largely a "decision", trips to the doctor frequently scare people into better health. I've seen it happen a few times to relatives of mine -- they were pretty overweight going into the 40s until their doctor kept bugging them to lose weight while throwing statistics at them about the health risk of being overweight while they age. As a result, they've lost a lot of weight and are healthier now.

                  People who don't get to see a doctor on a regular basis are less likely to "decide" to lose weight. Instead of thinking Americans are intrinsically lazy or obese (which may or may not be true...), another factor to consider is the other Western nations all have much more frequent trips to the doctor for preventative care.
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                  • #10
                    Asher speaks the truth (on this).
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Being fat is a decision, not a disease.
                      Is this coming from your vast wealth of experience?
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                      • #12
                        and that is vs England, probably the worst NHS in the developed world... "third world leader" US should pick on Japan, France or Germany for comparison stats...

                        Despite the greater use of health care technology in the US, Americans receive less preventive health care than their English counterparts.
                        less than English counterparts, and comparing to Europe English preventative health care is abysmal.

                        the last one stands... and a loooooong way to go

                        "Whilst in some areas our outcomes may be favourable compared with those in the US, we are still clear that we have a long way to go before we achieve outcomes comparable with the best performing health systems.


                        US on the other hand = third world, if you are rich it's great, if you are not, your dead. enough said
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                        • #13
                          Preventative care is obviously the solution to a healthier population and lower healthcare costs. The problem is the American healthcare system is set up to favor correction over prevention.

                          It doesn't make money to be a primary physician and encourage your patient with a risk of heart disease to eat better and exercise more. The money is in being a specialist and him getting heart surgery and being on a regular program of drugs and visits after his heart attack.
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                          • #14
                            Do doctors live longer on average than the rest of us?

                            Anyone have those stats?

                            If regular visits to the doctor increase longevity...
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                              Do doctors live longer on average than the rest of us?

                              Anyone have those stats?

                              If regular visits to the doctor increase longevity...
                              Yes but it's a common myth that they don't. Except for suicide doctors seem to do better in most all other causes of death. Especially women doctors are prone to killing themselves for some reason.

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