The Reward for Treason: Death!

[DinoDoc]

Americans are scary. Such extreme measures to protect... what?

What extreme measures?

[Krill]

What's the charge against Assange PH?

He is wanted for "questioning". What happens if they get him back and he refuses to talk with them? If they don't have the evidence to charge him now are they planning on beating it out of him when they get him back? Lots to see here PH despite your denials.

No defense of the terrorist release?

Nope, you are in a poor position to pass judgment on the legal system of others. Yours sucks.

It's rather ironic that the Scots (not the UK government, or the English) released Al-Megrahi because he was supposed to be dead by now through natural causes instead of us either killing him or keeping him locked up when you are also arguing against the death penalty.

[Hauldren Collider]

Death penalty for treason

I think this would be a fair application of it, although I am almost always against the death penalty as it is applied today.

[Dinner]

Personally, I don't think he committed treason and instead revealed an aweful lot of stuff that was embarassing to the government and which the government would prefer to have not gotten out but which didn't remotely compromise the safety or well being of the country.

[Wezil]

It's rather ironic that the Scots (not the UK government, or the English) released Al-Megrahi because he was supposed to be dead by now through natural causes instead of us either killing him or keeping him locked up when you are also arguing against the death penalty.

First, I wasn't arguing against the death penalty (although I am against it).

Second, keeping him locked up seems a reasonable approach. The medical "excuse" was just that, an excuse.

[Lonestar]

Personally, I don't think he committed treason and instead revealed an aweful lot of stuff that was embarassing to the government and which the government would prefer to have not gotten out but which didn't remotely compromise the safety or well being of the country.

Dude handed over 300,000+ classified documents to a foreign organization that has elected foreign officials in leadership positions. He obviously hadn't a ****ing clue as to what he was handing over(most of said documents in fact do not particularly paint the US in a bad light), since he didn't have, you know, a crack staff of researchers working for him and shifting through the material. All he was doing was turning over classified information willy-nilly to an organization with elected foreign officials in it. Call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure that's against the rules.

Now, I don't think he should get the death penalty(again, there are much worse offenders out there who kinda just slid on by), but perhaps an example needs to be made that ****ing E3s who are in the middle of getting a discharge for a "adjustment disorder" should not be permitted to hand over classified material to foreign elected officials. Call me crazy.

Now come back and ask me if I think it would have been okay if he had gone to a sympathetic American elected official, or a domestic media source that did not have foreign nationals in control of it.

[Heraclitus]

What extreme measures?

I consider taking a man's life to be a extreme measure thought of course justified in certain circumstances.

[DinoDoc]

If Pollard and Hansen weren't killed, what makes you think Manning will be?

[DaShi]

DD is thicker than Hera. Hmm.

[Dinner]

Dude handed over 300,000+ classified documents to a foreign organization that has elected foreign officials in leadership positions.

My point being that huge amounts of stuff gets classified for no better reason then because politicians find it embarrassing and would like to hide it from the people. The guy who leaked the Pentagon Papers back in the 1970's was a god damned patriot and this fellow falls in the same category. The people truly need to know what the hell their government is up to and right now we have only a tiny crack because so much stuff gets needlessly classified. I say, until they change the laws wrt classification, so that they are actually based on national security instead of "Oh, I don't want my embarrassing **** up known to the general public", then we need more of these sorts of releases not fewer.

[germanos]

Pollard

Had to look that up.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has voiced particularly strong support for Pollard, visiting the convicted spy in prison in 2002.

Was that on an official state-visit?

[Hauldren Collider]

DD is thicker than Hera. Hmm.

DD is absolutely right about this. Also, you make this reply to everything DD says without fail. Who's the tool?

[molly bloom]

Unfortunately, he wont be executed (if guilty). There were american traitors in the 70-80's whose actions were much worse but they were not executed.

Yes, Nixon had a Presidential pardon.

But apparently you have no problem sending him against his will to a country where he hasn't even been charged.

Get off your moral high horse.

Now now... it's going to appeal, and in any case, blame the European arrest warrant :

http://en.euabc.com/word/395

[Wezil]

Now now... it's going to appeal, and in any case, blame the European arrest warrant :

http://en.euabc.com/word/395

I'm not sure who "it's" refers to but Assange's lawyers are appealing this extradition without charge (no credit to the Brits). I would hope they would object to such a travesty.

[molly bloom]

I'm not sure who "it's" refers to but Assange's lawyers are appealing this extradition without charge (no credit to the Brits). I would hope they would object to such a travesty.

'It's' refers to the whole legal shenanigans.

Note the earlier date for the European arrest warrant- just duck your head, grab your ankles and repeat 'WAR ON TERROR ! WAR ON TERROR ! ' and surprisingly, all kinds of legal niceties and freedoms can be done away with in the name of public safety, the greater good and, erm, 'freedom'.