The Reward for Treason: Death!

[Lonestar]

Manning gets 22 new Charges, including Article 104.

Possible death penalty facing Manning, although I suspect that 104 was thrown in there as a means of intimidation for a plea, since it'll be hard to prove that Wikileaks is "The Enemy", and perhaps that should be proven first.

That said, there's about a dozen other charges that throw the phrase "with knowledge that it could be used to the advantage of foreign nations" around, and when you have elected foreign officials on your staff(Wikileaks) that'll be something that will stick, IMO.

The reward for treason:


DEATH

[Provost Harrison]

Death penalty

It's like dealing with the third world, and why European countries are unwilling to extradite in many cases...if Assange was facing the death penalty there is no way my country would send him over there.

[Lonestar]

Death penalty

It's like dealing with the third world, and why European countries are unwilling to extradite in many cases...if Assange was facing the death penalty there is no way my country would send him over there.

Assange ain't an American, so he can't be tried for treason. Manning, who knowingly handed over classified material to foreign nationals, possibly could although even then none of his charges have the "T-word" in them.

[Elok]

Shouldn't that guy from the Warhammer pic be falling over backwards, or at least have crippling scoliosis? The armor provides strong protection against guys who get behind him and try to chop off his head, I guess, but it's not very ergonomic. The designers made some very questionable decisions there.

Anyway, as a practical matter I can't see Manning getting executed. Aside from the fact that the prosecution isn't seeking the DP, it's too high profile; killing him would just prolong the administration's embarrassment and piss off half the country. Even more than they'd already be PO'ed by the life sentence, that is. If all else fails, Obama will dither till the last minute before granting clemency.

The gov't. needs to find a middle course between discouraging further leaks and damage control from the old ones here. If I were them, I'd give him a moderate punishment, like maybe a dishonorable discharge and a few years in jail, and hope everyone forgets about it soon. The Wikileaks business was already in the back of our minds due to the Arab uprisings.

[SpencerH]

Unfortunately, he wont be executed (if guilty). There were american traitors in the 70-80's whose actions were much worse but they were not executed.

[Lonestar]

Shouldn't that guy from the Warhammer pic be falling over backwards, or at least have crippling scoliosis? The armor provides strong protection against guys who get behind him and try to chop off his head, I guess, but it's not very ergonomic. The designers made some very questionable decisions there.

In the grim darkness of the far future there are ONLY SHOULDER PADS.

Unfortunately, he wont be executed (if guilty). There were american traitors in the 70-80's whose actions were much worse but they were not executed.

Bingo. Walker Spy Ring comes to mind.

[Wezil]

Death penalty

It's like dealing with the third world, and why European countries are unwilling to extradite in many cases...if Assange was facing the death penalty there is no way my country would send him over there.

But apparently you have no problem sending him against his will to a country where he hasn't even been charged.

Get off your moral high horse.

[Wezil]

Not to mention releasing mass murdrers in order to further oil deals. Nope, your country has no bragging room on justice issues.

[giblets]

Who is Manning? The only Mannings I've ever heard of play football

[Imran Siddiqui]

The Wikileaks business was already in the back of our minds due to the Arab uprisings.

Ironically, because there is an argument to be made that the Tunisian uprising that started this whole thing came about because of confirmation from wikileaks that the stuff the people were whispering about the regime was more true than they thought.

[germanos]

Ironically, because there is an argument to be made that the Tunisian uprising that started this whole thing came about because of confirmation from wikileaks that the stuff the people were whispering about the regime was more true than they thought.

That is exactly Lonestar's point: Ben Ali gone, Mubarak gone, Moammar, Sheikh Qaboosh and the Jemeni guy under severe threat. Decades of foreign policy down the drain.
Hell even Saudi Arabia's King is pissing in his pants.

[Elok]

Yeah, but let's be careful not to overstate the impact. A large part of the impetus for Tunisia was that guy burning himself, together with the economic/social/misc. other factors. Wikileaks probably contributed, but it's not clear that it was a huge factor. At least, not to me.

[Provost Harrison]

But apparently you have no problem sending him against his will to a country where he hasn't even been charged.

Get off your moral high horse.

To stand trial. In another EU country. Nothing to see here.

[Heraclitus]

Manning gets 22 new Charges, including Article 104.

Possible death penalty facing Manning, although I suspect that 104 was thrown in there as a means of intimidation for a plea, since it'll be hard to prove that Wikileaks is "The Enemy", and perhaps that should be proven first.

That said, there's about a dozen other charges that throw the phrase "with knowledge that it could be used to the advantage of foreign nations" around, and when you have elected foreign officials on your staff(Wikileaks) that'll be something that will stick, IMO.

The reward for treason:


DEATH

Americans are scary. Such extreme measures to protect... what? Your empire? Your constitution? Don't make me laugh. These kinds of sentiments would be terrifying if they weren't hilarious.

Wikileakes is a tool of freedom.

[Wezil]

To stand trial. In another EU country. Nothing to see here.

What's the charge against Assange PH?

He is wanted for "questioning". What happens if they get him back and he refuses to talk with them? If they don't have the evidence to charge him now are they planning on beating it out of him when they get him back? Lots to see here PH despite your denials.

No defense of the terrorist release?

Nope, you are in a poor position to pass judgment on the legal system of others. Yours sucks.