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    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ronal...ry?id=12853508


    Ask the most passionate admirers of former President Ronald Reagan to rate the greatness of his legacy, and they'll likely put him in the company of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt.
    PHOTO Reagan on Rushmore
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    (Fred J. Eckert/Ambassador Eckert Images)

    Some have even suggested the 40th president deserves to literally join the quartet, carved in stone on Mount Rushmore in South Dakota.

    While Congress debated and ultimately rejected that idea in 1999, the concept still tickles conservatives, who see the question -- should Reagan be on Rushmore? -- as an entree to discussing the former president's clout.

    "Is he of that stature? The answer is yes," said Grover Norquist, chairman of the Reagan Legacy Project. "Reagan was the most successful president of the twentieth century. He took a country that was in economic collapse and militarily in retreat around the globe and turned it completely around."

    Norquist, who led the effort to rename Washington's National Airport after Reagan, has been using the president's centennial anniversary to make a renewed push to bring the Reagan name and likeness to every county in all 50 states.

    "In South Dakota, Reagan deserves a mountain carving of his own, like Crazy Horse," he said, referring to the Native American leader who has a monument down the road from Rushmore.

    Reagan already has more than 100 official physical namesakes in at least 27 states and four countries, according to a list compiled by the National Archives through January 2010.

    They include nearly a dozen schools, courthouses and post offices, highways, an aircraft carrier, and even hotel suites.

    A 5,533-foot peak in New Hampshire's White Mountains was renamed Mount Reagan in 2003.

    In the Marshall Islands, the U.S. military tests weapons at the Ronald Reagan Ballistic Missile Defense Site.

    And in Poland, what was once Central Square in downtown Krakow now bears the Reagan name.

    While there is no official data tracking the number of named physical monuments for each of the nine most recent presidents of the past 50 years, anecdotal evidence suggests John F. Kennedy dominates the count.




  • #2
    What about JFK and Ronald kissing on Mt Rushmore
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    • #3
      Do a new set of four.
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      • #4
        Shouldn't there only be ONE?
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        • #5
          Reagan on Rushmore
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • #6
            Reagan was a terrible president and real historians recognize that fact. The only reason why people still talk about him is because Republicans have spent the last 30 years trying to deify him as their man-god and the reason for that is extremely simple. Republicans are jealous how Democrats have great modern presidents they can point out which are iconic with the American people. FDR, JFK, Clinton. Who do the conservative Republicans have though? Let's go through the list. Eisenhower certainly was a great president and he ran on the Republican ticket but conservatives hate him because he was genuinely liberal. Eisenhower raise the progressiveness of the income tax so high the top tax bracket was 92.5%, he said it was best to tax the wealthy to pay for improvements in general social welfare such as education (largest expansion in education in history plus tax money founded huge numbers of public universities), health, transportation (interstate freeways first built), and numerous other things so modern conservatives hate Eisenhower because he did exactly what modern democrats want to replicate (tax the rich to pay for greater social & development spending in the nation as a whole). Next we have Nixon who did a lot of good things and got elected twice but he also inacted price controls and created the EPA as well as got kicked out of office for corruption so, clearly, conservatives couldn't turn Nixon into their false man-god. Ford was never even elected and was extremely unpopular so he's out. Bush 1 was a one term president who raised taxes so he's out; BTW I actually respect him because Bush 1 was willing to do something which was in the honest objective best interests of the country even though it hurt his own political position. While Bush 2's regime was known for corruption and he left office as the most unpopular president in modern history.

            Look at those choices. It's obvious why they chose Reagan to deify even though he really was a poor choice as his administration was mired in corruption like illegally selling weapons to Iran, Reagan's CIA illegally sold cocaine in the US (even using US military planes to fly the cocaine into the US) to help support repressive fascist regimes in central America (both the contras and Noriega in Panama), committed treason when he conspired with a foreign power to keep American citizens hostage because Reagan thought it was in his personal political interests, and exploded the US debt with out of control spending even while slashing taxes on the rich and raising them on everyone else. What the special interests especially loved about him was that for 6 of his 8 years Reagan was mentally so far gone in Alzheimer's that the special interests got to complete corruptly run the show while Reagan drooled in his cheerios. In short he was a disaster for the country (the banking deregulation Reagan pushed for caused the S&L crisis and financial collapse of 1987) but all the other Republican presidents were even worse or less legitiment so Reagan literally is the only option for Republicans to point to a supposedly successful conservative Republican president; that's why they constantly lie and try to attribute everything good to Reagan even though he had nothing to do with 90% of their claims.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Reagan on Rushmore
              You really are a tool sometimes.
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              • #8
                Reagan was the best Democratic POTUS of the 20th century.
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                • #9
                  Ouch.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                    You really are a tool sometimes.
                    You really are a tool all the time , and Reagan was an awesome president
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • #11
                      Sure, if you like corruption and incompetence.
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                      • #12
                        Wait, whenTF was Clinton "iconic?" Do you mean "well-known for boning a chubby intern?" I don't remember him as a bad president or anything (hard to say, I was a teenager at the time and didn't care for politics), but I don't think he belongs up there with Lincoln or Jefferson.

                        Nor does Ronald "We sold what to who now?" Reagan. JFK maybe, but only because he had much better taste in women than Clinton did. Other than that, he seems to have mostly made some awesome speeches, screwed up an invasion of Cuba, and quietly got us more entangled in Vietnam. Oh, and the Peace Corps. And he stared down the Russians. I guess you call that a mixed legacy?
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                        • #13
                          Yeah, the dems deification of JFK was always a mystery to me also. If he hadn't been assassinated, I wonder what his legacy would have been.
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                          • #14
                            A bust in his presidential library. No, not a statue of his head, an actual bust--a big old copper set of boobs. With a classy Latin inscription underneath, I'm thinking something like "he got all the *****es." That probably sounds impressive in Latin.

                            To be fair, I think JFK and Reagan are more or less equivalent in that they both made a lot of speeches that inspired a lot of people. But if you ask what they actually accomplished, you get...?
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                            • #15
                              And I also wonder if he had been President in more modern times when then press didn't give you a free pass on your personal life.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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