West Philly abortion doc charged with eight counts of murder

[Asher]

Why is Canada so barbaric?

We're a nation of badasses.



Never lost a war, either. No other country is as badass. America tries to compensate with guns and Hummers, but we all know what they're compensating for.

[Arrian]

Its a brownian motion effect.

/racial sarc

I may be the only one, but that was good

5pm on Thursday when I'm taking tomorrow off (thus, virtual Friday) may mean the bar is set low, but hey...

-Arrian

[MikeH]

People in comas are still alive. You mean irreversible comas? I'm not certain about the details there, but I'm not really worried about the definition of death.

You're not worried about the definition of death, but you are proposing we use the definition of death as the basis of the definition of life?

W. T. F. ?!?!

[MikeH]

MikeH said:

The majority of Americans are opposed to these US/UK laws and MikeH thinks differently from the majority of Americans. He asks in what way is his thinking different? In that the majority of Americans are opposed to the current laws whereas MikeH supports them.

I underestimated how ****ed up and religiously repressed the US was. I won't let it happen again.

[MikeH]

No, just like I don't think men (especially religious men) should tell them whether they can have an abortion or not.

[Felch]

You're not worried about the definition of death, but you are proposing we use the definition of death as the basis of the definition of life?

W. T. F. ?!?!

Fine, I did my homework, and found here that "§ 1. [Determination of Death]. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards."

Based on that a fetus with brain activity and active circulatory [or] respiratory functions meets all the criteria for a living human being. A fetus reaches that point by 12 weeks. Do you have anything else to say, or are you going to stand by your prior rejection of fundamental human rights to a living human being?

[Felch]

No, just like I don't think men (especially religious men) should tell them whether they can have an abortion or not.

Should people without children do anything about child abuse?

[Asher]

Fine, I did my homework, and found here that "§ 1. [Determination of Death]. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards."

Based on that a fetus with brain activity and active circulatory and respiratory functions meets all the criteria for a living human being. A fetus reaches that point by 12 weeks. Do you have anything else to say, or are you going to stand by your prior rejection of fundamental human rights to a living human being?

Well, there you go.

A fetus doesn't breathe. Problem solved.

[MikeH]

[Hauldren Collider]

Well, there you go.

A fetus doesn't breathe. Problem solved.

Does too. Fetuses undergo cellular respiration, they just get their oxygen from the mother. And it's this definition of death and life that we are specifically taking issue with--using them to support your claim is tautological.

[Felch]

Well, there you go.

A fetus doesn't breathe. Problem solved.

You're right. Clearly my own definition requires revision. "An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions ... is dead." [emphasis added] Since a fetus still has a functioning circulatory system, it's still alive. I'll go ahead and fix that.

[Asher]

Does too. Fetuses undergo cellular respiration, they just get their oxygen from the mother.

Back to Biology class you go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_system

The presence of an umbilical cord is, unfortunately, not part of the definition of life.

[MOBIUS]

One day HC will have to cut his umbilical cord and join the real world...

[Hauldren Collider]

And by many definitions of mental illness, homosexuality is a mental disorder. But I'm sure you disagree with that Asher, as do I.

[MikeH]

Other people defining things wrongly doesn't make our correct definitions wrong.